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    Quote Originally Posted by SEOINAGE View Post
    Being unable to blow a load, and inability to perform in gym is pretty serious for gains!
    Yeah but high estrogen causes the same issue. Tren causes the same shit people can't breathe or sleep but they workout anyways. Tren sides are worse than low e2

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBD View Post
    Yeah but high estrogen causes the same issue. Tren causes the same shit people can't breathe or sleep but they workout anyways. Tren sides are worse than low e2
    Not for me. Everyone gets and handles sides differently man. For me low e2 sucked bad. Way worse than night sweats and any other tren side. My joints were literally killing me. MY hips, my hands, I felt horrible, no energy at all, sexual sides, it was way worse than any tren sides i ever experienced and I dont wanna go there again. The other thing that sucked is it took weeks to get it back to where it needed to be. Maybe when your older and have more time and xpeience in this game you will feel differently. I have been doing this almost as long as you have been on this earth and one thing ive learned you thoughts and opinions will change a lot. What you think is fact now, 4 years from now you may realize was completely wrong.Also you learnb a lot and you realize in addition to the sides you notice there are others going on in your body that may be a hell of a lot more serius than those you see and feel. So you tend to get a little wiser over time and take all things into consideration. Its not necessarily a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup
    Not for me. Everyone gets and handles sides differently man. For me low e2 sucked bad. Way worse than night sweats and any other tren side. My joints were literally killing me. MY hips, my hands, I felt horrible, no energy at all, sexual sides, it was way worse than any tren sides i ever experienced and I dont wanna go there again. The other thing that sucked is it took weeks to get it back to where it needed to be. Maybe when your older and have more time and xpeience in this game you will feel differently. I have been doing this almost as long as you have been on this earth and one thing ive learned you thoughts and opinions will change a lot. What you think is fact now, 4 years from now you may realize was completely wrong.Also you learnb a lot and you realize in addition to the sides you notice there are others going on in your body that may be a hell of a lot more serius than those you see and feel. So you tend to get a little wiser over time and take all things into consideration. Its not necessarily a bad thing.
    Agreed. My E2 hit 410 and I was asymptomatic. Not true when I crashed my E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Agreed. My E2 hit 410 and I was asymptomatic. Not true when I crashed my E.
    Holy hell 410 and not a thing? I would have been crying my eyes out with every happy or sad thought, plus my nips itch like crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by probuild42
    Holy hell 410 and not a thing? I would have been crying my eyes out with every happy or sad thought, plus my nips itch like crazy.
    No sir. Surprised the heck out of me. Hb was elevated, hematocrit elevated, pulse ox slightly down but no clinical symptoms (libido, appetite, erectile function all normal). PSA was 9.2 as well and yet no change to voiding patterns. Had I not run blood work at week 8, would have never known. I'm sure if I let it continue, the clinical symptoms would become noticeable quickly.

    I dropped it quick though with letro. Brought PSA down to 3.2 by increasing Cialis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    No sir. Surprised the heck out of me. Hb was elevated, hematocrit elevated, pulse ox slightly down but no clinical symptoms (libido, appetite, erectile function all normal). PSA was 9.2 as well and yet no change to voiding patterns. Had I not run blood work at week 8, would have never known. I'm sure if I let it continue, the clinical symptoms would become noticeable quickly.

    I dropped it quick though with letro. Brought PSA down to 3.2 by increasing Cialis.
    Never had a high PSA. I've always been less then 1 on or off cycle. At 9.2 thats cancer screening levels. You would think the prostate would have been swoling too. I love cialis on so many different levels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by probuild42
    Never had a high PSA. I've always been less then 1 on or off cycle. At 9.2 thats cancer screening levels. You would think the prostate would have been swoling too. I love cialis on so many different levels!
    Yes, PSA was too high. Prostate boggy on DRE. No TRUS ordered. Expected changes to urinary voiding were absent. 4 week BW after initial draw showed response to Cialis.
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