Desperately need help - please give me ANY suggestions

[CobraMustangSVT]

Injectable testosterone has the highest success rate, where as transdermals have a 20% failure rate. Next time you see an AndroGel commercial, they will verbally mention it or it will be in the small print at the bottom of the screen. Of course, that leaves an 80% success rate and on the surface that doesn't sound too bad, but it sounds much better than it is. Of those that it works well for, many find that they adapt or what's often referred to as "Transdermal Fatigue." They simply don't absorb it well anymore - there's nothing wrong with the testosterone itself, it's just not absorbing. So they end up adding larger and larger doses and many doctors stand there scratching their head. This cannot happen with injectable testosterone. And then there are some men that will find transdermals work well indefinitely.

Pellets, convenience is the appeal, no doubt. The downside, primary - you have very little control. The number of pellets may not be enough or could be too much. With transdermals and injectables you can easily make adjustments when and if needed.

Hi,
Do you know what causes the transdermal fatigue? I was reading that it's thyroid issues that causes thickening of the skin, which leads to poor absorption.

[Low Testosterone]

Hi,
Do you know what causes the transdermal fatigue? I was reading that it's thyroid issues that causes thickening of the skin, which leads to poor absorption.

If that were the case, then more men would have thyroid issues. Most men, the majority, will find transdermals lose at least some level of their effectiveness overtime, how much and how soon is what varies.

[CobraMustangSVT]

If that were the case, then more men would have thyroid issues. Most men, the majority, will find transdermals lose at least some level of their effectiveness overtime, how much and how soon is what varies.

That's what I fear. I really like Androgel. I was on injections, 50mg's every Tuesday night and Friday morning with 250iu's of hCG every M, W and F, and I got tired of sticking myself.

I can always go back to injections but I really like not having to stick myself anymore.

[CobraMustangSVT]

Also, sometimes I wonder if my testosterone increase is due to the HCG or the Androgel. I ran them both at the same time and I'm secondary

[Ryanmcd]

Also, sometimes I wonder if my testosterone increase is due to the HCG or the Androgel. I ran them both at the same time and I'm secondary

That is why you do ***1*** thing at a time, do shots OR gel for 4-6 weeks run blood work THEN add/change something, if you do 2-3 things each time your NEVER going to figure it out.

Also this is not that hard you have 3 things

1. Test
2. HCG
3. AI if needed


Do you know how many people see a doc that just get test and do fine? I would say 80%+ because 80%+ docs don't even know about a AI and HCG. The key to all of this is give it TIME to work don't be so OCD/ADD and do 100 things at a time.


And yes you may have thyroid low temp etc etc but again it's all different, my temp is always about 97.9 and my TSH is .8 and T3 T4 are fine so everyone is different.

[CobraMustangSVT]

That is why you do ***1*** thing at a time, do shots OR gel for 4-6 weeks run blood work THEN add/change something, if you do 2-3 things each time your NEVER going to figure it out.

Also this is not that hard you have 3 things

1. Test
2. HCG
3. AI if needed


Do you know how many people see a doc that just get test and do fine? I would say 80%+ because 80%+ docs don't even know about a AI and HCG. The key to all of this is give it TIME to work don't be so OCD/ADD and do 100 things at a time.


And yes you may have thyroid low temp etc etc but again it's all different, my temp is always about 97.9 and my TSH is .8 and T3 T4 are fine so everyone is different.

You're right. I just didn't want my nuts to shrink so I started HCG immediately.

[Ryanmcd]

You're right. I just didn't want my nuts to shrink so I started HCG immediately.

That takes MONTHS to happen and weeks to fix.

[CobraMustangSVT]

That takes MONTHS to happen and weeks to fix.

I didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know.

[Beethoven]

That takes MONTHS to happen and weeks to fix.

My first go round with the first Dr I was on test only. It took about four months for the boys to start hurting. He didn't know about HCG. It was about that time I found my current Dr. The HCG fixed me up. I did try HCG monotherapy but it didn't work for me. But I echo what. Ryanmcd said, and it is the most important thing. Give it time and 1 change at a time.