will i ever recover ?

[kelkel]

I doubt myself i will recover as i was already diagnosed primary hypogonasism 4 years ago by a different endo,

If you are legitimately primary then you are wasting your time and your doc's is clueless. If you're primary your testicals won't suddenly decide to work unless you were misdiagnosed initially. A simple HCG stimulation test would have answered this question, but no, your doc wants you to go through all this....

Reminds me of a line from "Grumpy Old Men"......something to the effect of "You can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled up first"

[vinny t]

If you are legitimately primary then you are wasting your time and your doc's is clueless. If you're primary your testicals won't suddenly decide to work unless you were misdiagnosed initially. A simple HCG stimulation test would have answered this question, but no, your doc wants you to go through all this....

Reminds me of a line from "Grumpy Old Men"......something to the effect of "You can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled up first"

How can i get this HCG stimulation test pal ?

[vinny t]

If you are legitimately primary then you are wasting your time and your doc's is clueless. If you're primary your testicals won't suddenly decide to work unless you were misdiagnosed initially. A simple HCG stimulation test would have answered this question, but no, your doc wants you to go through all this....

Reminds me of a line from "Grumpy Old Men"......something to the effect of "You can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled up first"

What the endo is saying that that LH and FSH have only just started rising it could take will take at lot longer than 6 months for natural production to happen giving me more testosterone is just going to defeat the whole object

[kelkel]

What the endo is saying that that LH and FSH have only just started rising it could take will take at lot longer than 6 months for natural production to happen giving me more testosterone is just going to defeat the whole object

Hence the reason for a proper pct to get your system started. Problem is though that you are considered primary. And unless misdiagnosed like I referenced above there is no chance for it to get better. Hopefully you were diagnosed wrong and you can get back to a good natural level. But again, for a doc to do that without serms is ridiculous.

[vinny t]

Hence the reason for a proper pct to get your system started. Problem is though that you are considered primary. And unless misdiagnosed like I referenced above there is no chance for it to get better. Hopefully you were diagnosed wrong and you can get back to a good natural level. But again, for a doc to do that without serms is ridiculous.

How is extra LH mimicing hormones like HCG going to help when i have massive amounts of LH/FSH being produced anyway?

[vinny t]

[QUOTE=kelkel;6893639]If you are legitimately primary then you are wasting your time and your doc's is clueless. If you're primary your testicals won't suddenly decide to work unless you were misdiagnosed initially. A simple HCG stimulation test would have answered this question, but no, your doc wants you to go through all this....

IN 2010 i had been off steroids for 6 months when i had the very low libido symptoms.

I went to see an endo who did blood tests my testosterone levels came back at 1.2 SHBG 33 FSH 26 LH 13

My endo said my testes may be damaged due repeated androgen administation and he said he would re test my bloods @ 2 and 4 months to judge the pattern . i went back in 4 months time and blood tests showed no improvement in test levels so i was put on TRT . I know all this because i have it all in a letter from 2010.

So all in all it had been about 10 months from stopping steroids to starting TRT.

[vinny t]

If you are legitimately primary then you are wasting your time and your doc's is clueless. If you're primary your testicals won't suddenly decide to work unless you were misdiagnosed initially. A simple HCG stimulation test would have answered this question, but no, your doc wants you to go through all this....

Reminds me of a line from "Grumpy Old Men"......something to the effect of "You can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled up first"

IN 2010 i had been off steroids for 6 months when i had the very low libido symptoms.

I went to see an endo who did blood tests my testosterone levels came back at 1.2 SHBG 33 FSH 26 LH 13

My endo said my testes may be damaged due repeated androgen administation and he said he would re test my bloods @ 2 and 4 months to judge the pattern . i went back in 4 months time and blood tests showed no improvement in test levels so i was put on TRT . I know all this because i have it all in a letter from 2010.

So all in all it had been about 10 months from stopping steroids to starting TRT.