Newbie - Dbol or Tren

[zempey]

I like 4x15, it gets a ton of blood in the muscle, doesn't beat up tendons and connective tissue, and builds a ton of strength if done correctly. No, 15lbs is not a lot of gains in a year, but 15lbs of lean muscle mass is. I too drop body fat with zero effert, but putting on size is very difficult, even on gear, my body just wants to stay at 250lbs +- 5 or 10, fat or in shape.

[superflyanimal]

I like 4x15, it gets a ton of blood in the muscle, doesn't beat up tendons and connective tissue, and builds a ton of strength if done correctly.

I'll tell you something, I seem to be in a lot more muscle pain after doing 3x12 routines than I did with lifting heavier 3x6 routines. I always got a better pump from it and I would usually drop the weight and maybe do a 4th set just to get that extra pump. It seemed to work a lot better for me. I never got as sore after my heavier workouts for some reason.