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    Been real busy for a few days and just came upon this very interesting and rather enlightening thread. I've got to say that some of you guys are really funny. I mean that in a good way. Kel, your one (or two) liners always make me smile.

    Kel, your post about dopamine's effect at the beginning of TRT was a revelation to me. Thank you for that. And Low T's follow up was extremely important. I always wondered where the intensity of my libido had gone after the first few months of TRT. Now I understand that my body is approaching balance - as all of ours must.

    And Buzz, I think you'll see that after awhile, being a sex object is no fun at all. I know because I've been there. We may THINK we're reaping the benefits, but we're deluding ourselves. Like "Wow, look at all the FBs I have!" But the kickback is a deep feeling of loneliness and a bitter resignation that we'll never be known deeply by anyone. For a long time I wasn't even aware I had this feeling. I just thought it was the natural state of affairs. Conquest sure is a quick rush but it never deeply satisfies. Whether you call it a friend with benefits or an FB, a man and a woman who use each other this way - no matter how much screaming, and bed rattling passion - can never respect each other. I came to see this too. Just stop and ask yourself if it's true. For me the result was the same; either I came to really care for the woman I was with or I wasn't with her long.

    Behind the smiles and sweet conversation after this kind of liaison, how many men and women have looked at each other with respect and genuine care? How often do we really think of the woman we have been with as a thinking, feeling individual with hopes and dreams - like our own? If we don't, I think we lose a little bit of our humanity. I always wondered why I would sometimes we walk around with this deep, haunting shame. A kind of numbness. We become our own worst enemies. I'd never want to go back to that life.

    I've seen that the alternative is KNOWING a woman - in every sense. Start with her mind and the body will follow. I'm still learning and finding my way but I've seen the true true excitement this makes for. Like new adventures into the unknown; freshness and newness every day and great passion. And this with a woman I have been with for over thirty years.

    You all know me well enough to understand that when I write in this way I'm not singling out any one individual. Merely, a poster has presented some ideas on which I thought it might be useful to comment and to offer my insight, which has come from my own lessons and experience. I sincerely hope it can be of benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Sox View Post
    Been real busy for a few days and just came upon this very interesting and rather enlightening thread. I've got to say that some of you guys are really funny. I mean that in a good way. Kel, your one (or two) liners always make me smile.

    Kel, your post about dopamine's effect at the beginning of TRT was a revelation to me. Thank you for that. And Low T's follow up was extremely important. I always wondered where the intensity of my libido had gone after the first few months of TRT. Now I understand that my body is approaching balance - as all of ours must.

    And Buzz, I think you'll see that after awhile, being a sex object is no fun at all. I know because I've been there. We may THINK we're reaping the benefits, but we're deluding ourselves. Like "Wow, look at all the FBs I have!" But the kickback is a deep feeling of loneliness and a bitter resignation that we'll never be known deeply by anyone. Conquest never deeply satisfies the self. A man and a woman who use each other this way - no matter how much screaming, and bed rattling passion - can never respect each other. It's not surprising that after times like this, many women have seen men as brutes and men have seen women as unworthy of respect - or worse. We can forget that we are with thinking, feeling individuals with hopes and dreams - like our own. And in so doing, each time we lose a little bit of our humanity. And whether we admit it to ourselves or not, we walk around with a deep, haunting shame. And then we get to think that this is all there is because we've spent so much time living like this. A kind of numbness sets in. We become our own worst enemies. I'd never want to go back to that life.

    I've seen that the alternative is KNOWING a woman - in every sense. Start with her mind and the body will follow. This makes for true excitement and new adventures into the unknown - every day. I'm still learning and finding my way but I've found freshness and newness and no end to surprises - and indescribable passion. And this with a woman I have been with for over thirty years.

    You all know me well enough to understand that when I write in this way I'm not singling out any one individual. Merely, a poster has presented some ideas on which I thought it might be useful to comment and to offer my insight, which has come from my own hard learned lessons and experience. I sincerely hope it can be of benefit.

    Oh I agree with a lot of what you stated and have come to similiar conclusions ? Even said that women are different now and made me feel cheap like a piece of meat ? But after a week or so sleeping alone ? Feeling like a cheap piece of meat is good enough and with several women who want no strings and want the phycial part the same as a man ? With both parties wanting the same thing all is good and they are friends with benifits We do things besides bed room acrobatics They are good friends and even fix me up with their " friend who want a partner for life as I do " But until then I have no trouble having friends with benifits and no offence taken ! I do agree that it is rather shallow

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzardMarinePumper View Post

    Oh I agree with a lot of what you stated and have come to similiar conclusions ? Even said that women are different now and made me feel cheap like a piece of meat ? But after a week or so sleeping alone ? Feeling like a cheap piece of meat is good enough and with several women who want no strings and want the phycial part the same as a man ? With both parties wanting the same thing all is good and they are friends with benifits We do things besides bed room acrobatics They are good friends and even fix me up with their " friend who want a partner for life as I do " But until then I have no trouble having friends with benifits and no offence taken ! I do agree that it is rather shallow
    Nothing wrong with having friends with benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beethoven View Post
    Nothing wrong with having friends with benefits.
    I'll bet if anyone had a choice of having a FWB or a having a real friend and partner to share your deepest feelings with and have larger emotions with, you'd chose the former.

    I think when a guy has a friend with benefits, there is a mutual agreement to keep oneself intact and not go past a certain point in feeling more. It's an external form of self-love. Have you ever had sex in front of a mirror? Who are you looking at most of the time? Be honest? (And this can happen in long term relationships too. It's not exclusive to FBs or FWBs.) Sometimes, we just can't help ourselves and our emotions take us further. We fall in love. if we don't have larger feeling for another, we're just loving ourselves through another person. Just my opinion.



    BTW, if anyone is interested, I edited my previous post above for greater clarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Sox View Post
    I'll bet if anyone had a choice of having a FWB or a having a real friend and partner to share your deepest feelings with and have larger emotions with, you'd chose the former.

    I think when a guy has a friend with benefits, there is a mutual agreement to keep oneself intact and not go past a certain point in feeling more. It's an external form of self-love. Have you ever had sex in front of a mirror? Who are you looking at most of the time? Be honest? (And this can happen in long term relationships too. It's not exclusive to FBs or FWBs.) Sometimes, we just can't help ourselves and our emotions take us further. We fall in love. if we don't have larger feeling for another, we're just loving ourselves through another person. Just my opinion.



    BTW, if anyone is interested, I edited my previous post above for greater clarity.
    Now I will admit as I've gotten older, I like more "mental" stimulation, and being married for over twenty years I got the love part. That being said, a little purely "physical" encounter now and again would be ok. (not that I'm in buzzmarines porn star status)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beethoven View Post
    Now I will admit as I've gotten older, I like more "mental" stimulation, and being married for over twenty years I got the love part. That being said, a little purely "physical" encounter now and again would be ok. (not that I'm in buzzmarines porn star status)
    That's why there's Bangkok!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OingoBoingo View Post
    That's why there's Bangkok!
    Got to go there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Sox View Post
    Have you ever had sex in front of a mirror?
    By myself or with a partner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Sox View Post
    I'll bet if anyone had a choice of having a FWB or a having a real friend and partner to share your deepest feelings with and have larger emotions with, you'd chose the former.

    I think when a guy has a friend with benefits, there is a mutual agreement to keep oneself intact and not go past a certain point in feeling more. It's an external form of self-love. Have you ever had sex in front of a mirror? Who are you looking at most of the time? Be honest? (And this can happen in long term relationships too. It's not exclusive to FBs or FWBs.) Sometimes, we just can't help ourselves and our emotions take us further. We fall in love. if we don't have larger feeling for another, we're just loving ourselves through another person. Just my opinion.



    BTW, if anyone is interested, I edited my previous post above for greater clarity.

    2SOX I think I used to be one of the older members of this forum ? Now 55 was married 12 years had 3 kids and I have now been divorced 12 years and if I want a friend to be close to and share stories I go get drunk and talk to a bartender ! I have never been happier than I am NOT MARRIED = I like me a lot and I am not co - dependendent ! I do not desire all the BS that goes with a full time commitmentment for life ! I like living with a ho a while and moving on ? All men are not of the same mind set !
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzardMarinePumper View Post
    2SOX I think I used to be one of the older members of this forum ? Now 55 was married 12 years had 3 kids and I have now been divorced 12 years and if I want a friend to be close to and share stories I go get drunk and talk to a bartender ! I have never been happier than I am NOT MARRIED = I like me a lot and I am not co - dependendent ! I do not desire all the BS that goes with a full time commitmentment for life ! I like living with a ho a while and moving on ? All men are not of the same mind set !
    I like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beethoven View Post
    I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzardMarinePumper View Post
    2SOX I think I used to be one of the older members of this forum ? Now 55 was married 12 years had 3 kids and I have now been divorced 12 years and if I want a friend to be close to and share stories I go get drunk and talk to a bartender ! I have never been happier than I am NOT MARRIED = I like me a lot and I am not co - dependendent ! I do not desire all the BS that goes with a full time commitmentment for life ! I like living with a ho a while and moving on ? All men are not of the same mind set !
    It's been said that one of the most traumatic events a man may go through in his life is a divorce. (The other is the death of a child.) Each man experiences it differently but from the men I've known who have gone through one, it seems it's a time of great introspection. The commonalities I've seen in every divorce are bitterness, sadness and a sense of great failure. My heart goes out to anyone who has gone through this. I've experienced painful breakups but I'm sure they don't come close.

    My feelings is if a man can look at himself in the mirror each day and like what he sees; respects himself for the life he leads, then he should continue on that path. In my experience, there's always room for improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Sox View Post
    It's been said that one of the most traumatic events a man may go through in his life is a divorce. (The other is the death of a child.) Each man experiences it differently but from the men I've known who have gone through one, it seems it's a time of great introspection. The commonalities I've seen in every divorce are bitterness, sadness and a sense of great failure. My heart goes out to anyone who has gone through this. I've experienced painful breakups but I'm sure they don't come close.

    My feelings is if a man can look at himself in the mirror each day and like what he sees; respects himself for the life he leads, then he should continue on that path. In my experience, there's always room for improvement.
    Sadness, bitterness or just plain glad to be free of her. Having been through two, it's usually the latter. The sadness is always when children are involved as it changes the daily interactions with them.

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