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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger11;
    U say you were back down to 130 lbs, why are you now at 170lbs? And why do you need to go back down? man 170lbs is a stick these days, 130lbs, my cat weighs more than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman
    And this is exactly from something in my past. I competed in anything between 10k and marathon. internationally, representing the USArmy, in Europe. So against Italians, French, and Germans primarily. You definitely have the right idea. Maximize lungs, minimize weight. But I believe the wrong approach with [removed for spam-filter]. Agree, body weight is the enemy. But you don't have to have much muscle mass to be a world class runner. Type 1 muscle can be minimal and yet continue working all day. There are some serious skinny marathoners that kick ass. So taking the test to preserve mass while (I'm sorry, I don't like DNP) "poisoning" yourself with DNP to me doesn't make any sense. Doesn't seem like a very good way to get healthy. What you have omitted in your write up is your stats. Importantly, your height and bf%, and even your age.

    So what is wrong with being in a 1000 cal deficit, relying on the right amount of protein, and about an hour a day of cardio at 75% of max heart rate? And then as the race approaches, employ a cycle approach to duration and intensity of training. During this time, it's pointless to do any serious strength training (sorry fellow board members, but it's accurate). And then 48 hours prior to the event, begin to carb load with proper surplus hydration.

    Personally, I think your approach is all wrong. You seem to want to switch modes from boxing to running and not allowing the proper time for your body to acclimate, hence your belief for the need for DNP? If you drop weight slowly, and the right way, you will be in much better shape with better endurance.

    Just my .02

    ---Roman
    Sorry, I did forget those stats. Posted this right before going to bed. I'm 19, 5'11, ~170lbs, about 12-13% body fat. I haven't lifted since the beginning of summer, but I'm averaging 60-70 miles/week and For extra no-impact cardio, I row around 40 miles/week. PRs 1:56, 4:19, and 15:47 for an 800, 1600, and 5K respectively.

    You're spot on about wanting to maximize body weight/composition and cardiorespiratory ability. I have been running distance for 7 years, and boxing for 3. I had a spark of interest in bodybuilding for a while, and that's why I am carrying more weight than I would like. I "bulked" from being a scrawny runner kid the summer before to almost 190 by the end of my senior year. My performance was terrible this year, especially past the 1.5 miles area. I figured with a short low-dose DNP cycle, I could drop the weight much quicker with lower sides, recover from the DNP part of the cycle in 1-1.5 week and have a race-ready body that's ready to utilize the enhanced recovery and increased RBC count from the test-e and eq? That seemed more effective to me than cutting weight over the course of 3-4 months with more restricted training ability for that whole duration?

    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02
    AAS doesn't help with endurance. It takes time for your body to drop 40lbs and acclimate to that weight. In this instance AAS won't help you much.
    But it does greatly increase RBC count and recovery?
    Last edited by bhst2424; 09-19-2014 at 10:52 AM. Reason: typos

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhst2424 View Post
    Sorry, I did forget those stats. Posted this right before going to bed. I'm 19, 5'11, ~170lbs, about 12-13% body fat. I haven't lifted since the beginning of summer, but I'm averaging 60-70 miles/week and For extra no-impact cardio, I row around 40 miles/week. PRs 1:56, 4:19, and 15:47 for an 800, 1600, and 5K respectively.

    You're spot on about wanting to maximize body weight/composition and cardiorespiratory ability. I have been running distance for 7 years, and boxing for 3. I had a spark of interest in bodybuilding for a while, and that's why I am carrying more weight than I would like. I "bulked" from being a scrawny runner kid the summer before to almost 190 by the end of my senior year. My performance was terrible this year, especially past the 1.5 miles area. I figured with a short low-dose DNP cycle, I could drop the weight much quicker with lower sides, recover from the DNP part of the cycle in 1-1.5 week and have a race-ready body that's ready to utilize the enhanced recovery and increased RBC count from the test-e and eq? That seemed more effective to me than cutting weight over the course of 3-4 months with more restricted training ability for that whole duration?


    But it does greatly increase RBC count and recovery?
    your weekly mileage seems right. Suggest keeping the weekly mileage the same, but drastically varying the daily mileage as you approach the event. So if you had a marathon say on a Thursday, then you would probably want to run, using a cycling approach, this the prior week, so that as you approach the week of the event, you would be peaking:


    Day/Miles:
    Monday 7.5
    Tuesday 15.0
    Wednesday 22.5
    Thursday 30.0
    Friday 22.5
    Saturday 15.0
    Sunday rest

    I don't know how many months to go before your event, but as we discussed, to be competitive, dropping weight and body fat% is critical. Nutrition is a huge part of doing this, and knowing precisely your dietary intake, and your TDEE, and being in the right caloric deficit, in addition to all the cardio, is the best approach.

    Let me know if you need help with the nutrition part.

    Good luck!
    ---Roman

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