Almost 2 months on androgel! Results!

[bruary17]

My levels are still low, you see.....that's why I increased the dose myself....and my pumps and size and general feeling of well being has sky rocketed.....even with low-range levels...so I figure if I get up around high-range levels....I'll still be healthy and have even better progress...

You need to get serious about your TRT and settle in to a protocol where you're healthy and BW backs that up. Then if you want to cycle have at it. Trying to manipulate things the way you are is really not going to work. Especially with gels as they're formulated to more closely mimic the diurnal nature of testosterone more so than other methods. Your body will respond better to regularity with gels.

If you feel the need simply add some moisturizer about an hour later to the same area you applied your agel. It will enhance absorption by about 17% or so from memory.

[OingoBoingo]

My levels are still low, you see.....that's why I increased the dose myself....and my pumps and size and general feeling of well being has sky rocketed.....even with low-range levels...so I figure if I get up around high-range levels....I'll still be healthy and have even better progress...

Do you have the labs to show us?

[bruary17]

Do you have the labs to show us?

I had two labs taken. The initial BW that I requested when I suspected I had low T....then the second one a week later.....as per Doctors request to confirm the low T. Then the BW that was taken a month in....I'll get them all today and post them.

[bruary17]

Do you have the labs to show us?

Sorry for the delay. Life happened. Anyway, my labs are as follows:

June 26th (when I first requested my Test levels be checked)
456
Free 7.5

July 15 (dr. Wanted second labs to be done to confirm low T)
325
Free 5.2

Sept 10 (after one month of androgel 1.62, two pumps daily)
451
7.6

Keep in mind im 35, in great shape, 6ft tall 185. Been liftingnsince i was 18. As you can see my numbers still kinda suck. I am feeling much better though and pumps in the gym have been great....but that just makes me wonder how much of it it a placebo effect. It crazy how manipulative your mind can be.

Anyway I'm back to two pumps a day, as you guys recommended to not **** with the androgel outside your doctors orders. You're right and I stopped. But I will be requesting shots when I see the urologist at the end of the month and I will tell him that I want to be at the very high end of normal test levels. Hopfully I can get him to understand how important this is to me and he'll throw me a bone.

[OingoBoingo]

Anyway I'm back to two pumps a day, as you guys recommended to not **** with the androgel outside your doctors orders. You're right and I stopped. But I will be requesting shots when I see the urologist at the end of the month and I will tell him that I want to be at the very high end of normal test levels. Hopfully I can get him to understand how important this is to me and he'll throw me a bone.

Am not so sure it's a good idea to walk in and tell your doctor you "want to be at the very high end of normal test levels" for two very good reasons;

The first is let your doctor feel important. Ask him what numbers he's shooting for. He may say he treats symptoms not numbers, but if you do some research, you'll be able to make a case for a sensible target. When meeting with my doctor I was prepared to argue for the top quartile of range. But when asked, the doctor said top quintile. Sounded good to me! You don't want to spook your doctor, because if he thinks you are a little over-enthusiastic he may drop you.

Secondly, as one who is at the top of their range, I can tell you it's not so great, and I'm in the process of lowering my dose. Sure, it's fun in the gym, but I don't care for the acne, reduced sexual performance, and high E2 episodes. Thus I've lowered my dose, see no loss of performance in the gym, and sides are improving. I think upper quartile is a good starting target, but each of us should try to find our own magic number that has us feeling our best.

Remember: It's about balance, not high numbers.

[2Sox]

^^^Sound like good advice.

[bruary17]

Am not so sure it's a good idea to walk in and tell your doctor you "want to be at the very high end of normal test levels" for two very good reasons;

The first is let your doctor feel important. Ask him what numbers he's shooting for. He may say he treats symptoms not numbers, but if you do some research, you'll be able to make a case for a sensible target. When meeting with my doctor I was prepared to argue for the top quartile of range. But when asked, the doctor said top quintile. Sounded good to me! You don't want to spook your doctor, because if he thinks you are a little over-enthusiastic he may drop you.

Secondly, as one who is at the top of their range, I can tell you it's not so great, and I'm in the process of lowering my dose. Sure, it's fun in the gym, but I don't care for the acne, reduced sexual performance, and high E2 episodes. Thus I've lowered my dose, see no loss of performance in the gym, and sides are improving. I think upper quartile is a good starting target, but each of us should try to find our own magic number that has us feeling our best.

Remember: It's about balance, not high numbers.

You're really making sense, brother. Thank you. My sex drive is is def higher then normal. I can throw down with the gf 3 times a day. At 35, I still often wake up with an erection....all since starting the androgel.....I mean, they were good befor but a def boost has taken place....I always though high end test numbers would just make you that much more superman in the libido department. Oh well. I love the way I'm feeling and I'm going to take the approach as you recommended. Thanks again all!