Protein intake theory revised and abandoning 40/40/20???

[Khazima]

If one achieved the same musle gain/fat loss then how is overall performance affected?

I honestly don't have an answer to that right now, good point. I definitely feel a lot better overall and feel like I perform better when eating cleaner food.

[Times Roman]

I was wanting to start a discussion as to whether or not grams/day is the right "unit of measure". I'm thinking "day" is not the right denominator. So I was trying to think of what the right denominator would be, as "per day" is not a good metabolic unit of measure. I was thinking "throughput time" would be more accurate. problem here is this is variable, and not only can change between individuals, but over time, with the individual as well. So instead, would it be the amount of time from the stomach to the end of the small intestine? That throughput time? This would have to be a theoretical discussion, but could still be interesting, none the less.

[Docd187123]

I was wanting to start a discussion as to whether or not grams/day is the right "unit of measure". I'm thinking "day" is not the right denominator. So I was trying to think of what the right denominator would be, as "per day" is not a good metabolic unit of measure. I was thinking "throughput time" would be more accurate. problem here is this is variable, and not only can change between individuals, but over time, with the individual as well. So instead, would it be the amount of time from the stomach to the end of the small intestine? That throughput time? This would have to be a theoretical discussion, but could still be interesting, none the less.

I think grams per day is a perfectly fine measure. There's no way you could accurately measure throughput time at home much less keep it constant. A few extra grams of fiber in one meal for instance would hangs throughput time. A few less grams of carbs, etc.

[Times Roman]

I think grams per day is a perfectly fine measure. There's no way you could accurately measure throughput time at home much less keep it constant. A few extra grams of fiber in one meal for instance would hangs throughput time. A few less grams of carbs, etc.

totally agree from a practical POV. This is a theoretical question. I could look this up, but I'm out the door to work. Protein is absorbed primarily in the small intestine, no? If so, the that would be the denominator. Would it not?

Another thought with the "grams/day" formula, is that if the true denominator is "small intestine time", then it seems clear to me that if I consumed large amounts of protein primarily in the morning, and not so much the rest of the day, that would provide a different result than if more evenly throughout the day.

Similar thought to trying to maintain stable blood serum levels with AAS. Although there are some that say the daily/weekly average is good enough, especially with orals, there are also some that say it is still better to more accurately dose based on "blood/liver absorption time (half life)"

This is one of those "how many Angels on the head of a pin" discussions, I know.

We are fed a lot of information, and sometimes it's a good idea to look "under the hood" to see what is going on and to try and understand.

[Docd187123]

I honestly don't have an answer to that right now, good point. I definitely feel a lot better overall and feel like I perform better when eating cleaner food.

My initial point about commenting on poor diets is that the Russians did/do amazingly well in lifting. Diet is a significant component of that success. How could it be a poor diet if they're getting exactly the results they want? Are health consequences a measure of poor diet? Well for elite lifters health takes a backseat to performance so again, is the diet really that poor? IMO it is not.