How we value life???

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One of my jobs when I was a teenager was working in a manufacturing plant where I was almost killed by a 50ton press. Are you arguing giving that press (do you mean the press OPERATOR or the machine itself?) (if you mean the operator, then I am sure the death at most would have been one of sentencing the operator to negligance) the death penalty or giving it a stiffer punishment bc I "as an employee should not have to face death as a natural consequence of doing my job"?

1) I used the term "employee" to also, and specifically, refer to LE. Bottom line, they are still employees

2) I went on to clarify "natural consequence" later on....
What about doctors without borders? Those doctors face much more dangerous situations than police officers, why not make it a stiffer penalty for killimg them?

I would like to see the stats on that comment. Please include a link to an authoritative reference that is credible....

The premise isn't about not facing death as a natural consequence of doing your job bc if you accept the position of police officer you accept the inherent dangers of the job. Are we to tell our military men and women that they shouldn't have to face death as a consequence of their career choice?

somehow, you didn't read the very next sentence I wrote that you somehow forgot to include in your paraphrase of the first sentence I wrote...

" in order to achieve that objective, certain precautions must be made. one is the authority to use lethal force for the police officer to protect themselves from eminent danger."

this is a reasonable position, would you not agree?

You are valuing the life of one person more than another and justifying it with "the ends justify the means". This means all you're saying is that the life of one person maybe worth more than the life of another.

that is not exactly what I said, is it. you interpreted and filtered what I said and somehow came up with this.

what I said was...

"There are two relevant aspects to human life we should consider:

1) The intrinsic value of that human life
2) The net contribution to society that life has made

Therefore, to a certain extent, all life is equal. But how we treat that life is also a reflection of #2 as well.

proof:

if you are a net detractor from society, society will punish/kill you. Think state sponsored executions
if you are a net contributor to society, society will reward you. Think actors and A list athletes.

So you need to consider not only how individuals treat one another, but also how groups of individuals (called societies) treat you. We all know that the psychology of individuals is much different than the psychology of societies."



Agreed



No, I think that the statistics show it's more dangerous being a citizen confronted by a cop than a cop confronted by a citizen.

Every police officer on the job carries a weapon, not every civilian carries one boots on the ground isn't the whole picture if some of the boots are armed with only their cellphones. Then you have to figure how much of the civilian population actually encounters police? Some go their whole lives never being pulled over, ticketed, or arrested.

Also your attempting to argue that killing a police officer should have stiffer penalties yet acknowledge the fact that they kill more people than they themselves are killed. Just how dangerous is this job if that's the case?



I never argued that they don't have a legitimate role, I'm arguing that their lives should be treated the same as everyone else's. No better no worse. Murder is when one human being unlawfully kills another human being. The definition of murder makes no room for who was murdered or who did the murdering.

please read my notes.

I'm trying to be very clear.

please take a moment to understand and not miscommunicate it to yourself and others....

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please read my notes.

I'm trying to be very clear.

please take a moment to understand and not miscommunicate it to yourself and others....

1 and 2 you missed my point.

I'll try and post links later but for now you can look up what happened to DWB in Sudan and other African countries.

If someone uses force on a cop I have absolutely no issue with them using force, deadly if necessary, to defend themselves. The issue once again isn't about them defending themselves, it's about the crime and punishment aspect. I never said to tie their hands behind their backs and go serve warrants on drug cartels or anything of the sort.

I don't beleive the death penalty works at all which IMO invalidates your proof. A list actors and celebrities don't have laws re-written to make killing them a worse crime than killing an average citizen.....