How we value life???

[Docd187123]

Do you really have some objection to those performing certain jobs for the public being granted a bit more legal protection? For what possible reason?

Yes I do. Because that same legal protection is not afforded the rest of the population. Bc "all men are created equal" and if all men are created equal why are some "more equal" than others? Bc the life of one person should not outweigh the life of another.

Metalject said it better than I in post 7.

It doesn't affect you (unless you're a scumbag who would want to take a swing or a shot at a civil servant).

I'll admit I've had my run ins with the law when I was younger and the only one I swung at was one who insulted my ethnicity. Other than that I've been cordial with police when they've been cordial with me. I've never taken a shot at a police officer either.

And yes it does affect me. It tells me that his life is more valuable than almost everyone else when that goes against what this country was founded on. Not only that but like I said, I have a family member who is on a police force in my state. I care deeply about what happens to him on the job but I'm not deluded into thinking that a stiffer penalty for killing him would make his job safer.

And does this asinine stance of your extend to assault/battery charges increased a degree of severity, or just murder and capital punishment?

You mean assault and battery against a cop? If so then yes, assaulting a cop should carry the same penalty as assaulting you or me. You only think it asinine bc you disagree with it.

I'm sure you're aware of this, but statistics alone cannot replace logic and good sense.

Perhaps not, but how accurate is the logic and good sense if the statistics show a very different story from the one you are arguing?

You also didn't argue the statistics, I assume bc you haven't looked them up. So please look at the statistics I posted and tell me again that without stiffer punishments it would be open season on cops when in 2008 there were 461,000 sworn officers and in 2013 27 of them were killed by felonious acts? Yes I know the years are different but I don't think the Bureau of Justice Statistics has a more recent year.

You argued In your first post that we would run out of public servants if more were killed than civilians. The military which is tasked with protecting us as well doesn't seem to have a shortage of people signing up and enlisting when military deaths FAR FAR FAR outweigh those of public servants.

Also, bear in mind who you are arguing with. This is personal, not an exercise in philosophy and statistics for shits and giggles.

I know perfectly well who I'm arguing with and what you do for a living. It maybe personal to you but we all know emotions don't make for the best logic or good sense. As I've said several times so far, I have a cop in my family, I also have several doctors and nurses in my family, and I have teachers (I mention teachers bc Kel brought them up earlier) in my family, my girlfriend's mom and two aunts are trauma RNs. So as much as this would affect you it would affect me as well.

[Bonaparte]

Yes I do. Because that same legal protection is not afforded the rest of the population. Bc "all men are created equal" and if all men are created equal why are some "more equal" than others? Bc the life of one person should not outweigh the life of another.

The extra protection only applies while they are performing their duties. So they are not only a man, but an extension of the system; which is why they are avenged more harshly than the next man.
If you cannot accept this concept, then I am done wasting my words on you.

[Docd187123]

The extra protection only applies while they are performing their duties. So they are not only a man, but an extension of the system; which is why they are avenged more harshly than the next man.
If you cannot accept this concept, then I am done wasting my words on you.

Would you favor harsher penalties for civil servants who unjustifiably kill civilians while they are performing their duties?

Edit* unjustifiably kill

[Bonaparte]

Would you favor harsher penalties for civil servants who unjustifiably kill civilians while they are performing their duties?

Edit* unjustifiably kill

Of course not. LE wouldn't be able to do anything if they had to fear the death penalty every time they draw their weapon. We would all be less safe, not more.

And bear in mind that public servants are held to a higher degree of accountability than the average citizen. If we get caught doing something illegal, it turns into a media shitstorm and we lose our jobs. Some factory worker or whatever gets a DUI and nobody cares.

[kelkel]

I've never taken a shot at a police officer either.

To even remotely feel the need to point this out really says something about your personality and mindset.

[Docd187123]

To even remotely feel the need to point this out really says something about your personality and mindset.

Bonaparte made the following claim:

It doesn't affect you (unless you're a scumbag who would want to take a swing or a shot at a civil servant).

So my statement says nothing about my mindset and personality in reality bc I was simply responding to the person who did in fact brought it up. I was attempting to show him that it does affect me even though I've never had the need to do that. Please read the entire discourse between Bona and I without taking my statement out of context.

[kelkel]

Bonaparte made the following claim:



So my statement says nothing about my mindset and personality in reality bc I was simply responding to the person who did in fact brought it up. I was attempting to show him that it does affect me even though I've never had the need to do that. Please read the entire discourse between Bona and I without taking my statement out of context.

I don't think it's out of context at all. You're simply turning into a politician with your verbiage to help you "win" any conversation you're in.

[Docd187123]

I don't think it's out of context at all. You're simply turning into a politician with your verbiage to help you "win" any conversation you're in.

So there are winners in online conversations? Funny, I thought we all got to speak our piece as we saw fit so long as we follow the rules of the forum.

Politicians are just as good at misrepresenting what someone said as they are at playing with verbiage.

[kelkel]

Politicians are just as good at misrepresenting what someone said as they are at playing with verbiage.

Then you have a bright future. It's been fun.