fat guy needs some help on steroids

[supermanshero15]

I was looking for some info on a higher BF and taking steroids. I am about 28 percent body fat now. I have lost over a 100 pounds. My diet has been clean since I started and I have had my blood pressure checked and some how even though I use to be that fat it is in great shape. My goal is to build some more muscle while burning off this last part of my fat. I have looked into ordering first cycle and if I do I will take a anti estrogen and pct. My chest has tighten completely up just got that stubborn belly fat. My goal from the start is to compete not for anybody else but for me. Im 26 years old and do 30 mins of cardio everyday and lifting weights 6 days a week. I have put on some good gains just hoping steroids will allow me to train harder and recover faster. I will take steroids but wanting to know if I could now. And the if there is any side effects of having a higher BF percentage other than BP and GYNO thank yall

[zempey]

You don't need AAS right now, keep doing what you are doing since it is working. Juice right now will just give you side effects due to bf%, get that down under 15% first. You are still young and can make great gains natty, don't rush it, you didn't get fat over night, so it won't come off over night. Now you want to start manipulating diet and training to achieve better gains and faster fat loss, check in at the diet section, they can really help dial you in. Seriously, do yourself a favor and don't rush into the juice before you are ready, it wll only leave you disappointed and frustrated and hopefully not damaged.

[bifda]

Everyone is different, I'm around 20% and had no issues at all on 750mg a week of test only. I'm a powerlifter and wasn't too concerned about bloat when I started, but I've had non, no issues at my bf, I've lost bf and gained muscle.
My advice is drop some more bf first ,28% is risky and may produce unwanted sides.
Tho most sides can be kept in check with diet.

[XxAndreaxX]

fat guy, should forghet Mc Donald, accept his genetics, and diet like a freak.
once he's at 12%BF, lets talk again...

[qscgugcsq]

steroids even are higher bodyfat is safe...

however your choice is limited and you should be more carefull.

congrats on youe 100lbs lost.

I can imagine the effort and change to lose 100lbs and I understand the will to use steroids.

keep in mind that to reach you goal You most likely dont need steroids.
but it will help you for sure.

stick with testosterone for now.
at higher bodyfat you are more likely to experience High blood pressure and Estrogen related side effect.
keeping those in check is your FIRST priority even more than your diet.

IF your BP and E2 are in check. you are good to go.

I would advise
500mg test-e with .25mg arimidex every day.(this is not a complete cycle layout...)

crashing E2 isnt as easy as people think.
and you are fatter so you WILL aromatize more.

BW needs to be done frequently.
BP needs to be taken daily.

if all those are in check.

it isnt more risky than at any other bodyfat.

my first advice is to keep going the way you do and start steroids later on.
but I expect you to not listen to that so at least do it as safely as possible.

[clarky.]

fat guy, should forghet Mc Donald, accept his genetics, and diet like a freak.
once he's at 12%BF, lets talk again...

You need to find another forum.

[derekkpapa1]

fat guy, should forghet Mc Donald, accept his genetics, and diet like a freak.
once he's at 12%BF, lets talk again...

What's up with that???

[NACH3]

fat guy, should forghet Mc Donald, accept his genetics, and diet like a freak.
once he's at 12%BF, lets talk again...

He's just asking for advice bro! I do realize whT your saying but damn no need to talk like that.... He's asking the right questions(being new to this forum) that's why we're here... Right? To help one other!!

BTW OP - great job on losing the 100lbs keep it going!

[XxAndreaxX]

Sorry OP, was not intended to offend, but for me, being fat, is simply some kind of mental weakness.
If you want to loose weight, there’s no better way, than adjust your diet. Its easier for some, harder for others. But it works 100% for everyone. Looking for steroids, seems to be an easy way to get around that.
So my answer was, you’re fat, accept your genetics and think about you could be worse.
As long as you don’t have your diet under control, I won’t prescribe you any AAS or stimulants.
I tell this to you, and I tell this to my mates, even to my GF.

[MrFreshmaker]

If you want to loose weight, there's no better way, than adjust your diet. Its easier for some, harder for others. But it works 100% for everyone.
Did you had liposuction or i am wrong?!

[XxAndreaxX]

If you want to loose weight, there's no better way, than adjust your diet. Its easier for some, harder for others. But it works 100% for everyone.
Did you had liposuction or i am wrong?!

Yes I had liposuction. But, I’m not fat, I’m actually skinnyfat. I won’t run into details, because Its worthless with someone who doesn’t even know what it is. Man, at the end of the day, its all about the results, and what you pay for, to get them.
I will never advice to someone to pay results with health, if he could get them with “hard work”.

[musclestack]

Sorry OP, was not intended to offend, but for me, being fat, is simply some kind of mental weakness.
If you want to loose weight, there’s no better way, than adjust your diet. Its easier for some, harder for others. But it works 100% for everyone. Looking for steroids, seems to be an easy way to get around that.
So my answer was, you’re fat, accept your genetics and think about you could be worse.
As long as you don’t have your diet under control, I won’t prescribe you any AAS or stimulants.
I tell this to you, and I tell this to my mates, even to my GF.

Yes I had liposuction. But, I’m not fat, I’m actually skinnyfat. I won’t run into details, because Its worthless with someone who doesn’t even know what it is. Man, at the end of the day, its all about the results, and what you pay for, to get them.
I will never advice to someone to pay results with health, if he could get them with “hard work”.

Way to contradict yourself. Bravo.

I've seen a lot of your posts here in the Q&A forum. Almost all of them are the same. 90% of what you reply to people is either flaming, questionable advice, or flat-out doesn't make any sense. I've never called you out on any of these, but there's been plenty of times when you've replied to a newbies thread in an unnecessary negative manner, and then you never hear from that newbie again. We need to try to be as friendly a community as we can. We're hear to help people. This is a place where people can come for advice and shouldn't have to fear being flamed for asking a totally innocent, reasonable question. The OP has obviously worked his tail off, losing 100 pounds. Congratulate him for this, and politely advise him to keep doing what he's doing until he reaches desired stats before beginning any PE's, providing him with the reasons as to why it would be a poor choice if he was to start now. That is all.

OP, very good work so far by the way. You should be proud of yourself!

[NACH3]

Way to contradict yourself. Bravo.

I've seen a lot of your posts here in the Q&A forum. Almost all of them are the same. 90% of what you reply to people is either flaming, questionable advice, or flat-out doesn't make any sense. I've never called you out on any of these, but there's been plenty of times when you've replied to a newbies thread in an unnecessary negative manner, and then you never hear from that newbie again. We need to try to be as friendly a community as we can. We're hear to help people. This is a place where people can come for advice and shouldn't have to fear being flamed for asking a totally innocent, reasonable question. The OP has obviously worked his tail off, losing 100 pounds. Congratulate him for this, and politely advise him to keep doing what he's doing until he reaches desired stats before beginning any PE's, providing him with the reasons as to why it would be a poor choice if he was to start now. That is all.

OP, very good work so far by the way. You should be proud of yourself!

Funny you bring this up... As I too been seeing more of his posts(I'm not flaming you Andrea).... But sometimes you are correct and knowledgeable, but also your giving advice from what you've experienced(which is fine)....(sides etc)----everyone's body is going to react differently! As I do appreciate your feedback(as well as everyone's on this forum) their is a better way to approach the situation as mentioned above... Just my .02!

[qscgugcsq]

If you want to loose weight, there's no better way, than adjust your diet. Its easier for some, harder for others. But it works 100% for everyone.
Did you had liposuction or i am wrong?!

yes but the thing is their is a hormonal response to a deficit which increase hunger and more. And for some that response is way WAY exagerated. for some people reaching 10% may be as hard as 5% for some.

try staying 5% for an extended period of time... Possible... but extremely hard even for heavy gear user.

ANYONE can be lean as **** no matter the genetic. its possible but for some it is not realistic...

Genetic is the biggest determinant on how you can look...

[MrFreshmaker]

yes but the thing is their is a hormonal response to a deficit which increase hunger and more. And for some that response is way WAY exagerated. for some people reaching 10% may be as hard as 5% for some. try staying 5% for an extended period of time... Possible... but extremely hard even for heavy gear user. ANYONE can be lean as **** no matter the genetic. its possible but for some it is not realistic... Genetic is the biggest determinant on how you can look...

I totally agree with you, and i was quoting Andrea in my post where he says that everyone can lose fat 100%,but genetics play a big role on that

[NACH3]

I totally agree with you, and i was quoting Andrea in my post where he says that everyone can lose fat 100%,but genetics play a big role on that

^^^ Genetics definitely Play a huge role in losing fat, building muscle, etc! Good point!

[Haydenz]

fat guy, should forghet Mc Donald, accept his genetics, and diet like a freak.
once he's at 12%BF, lets talk again...

So many other approaches you could of gone . Sigh

[reporich]

fat guy, should forghet Mc Donald, accept his genetics, and diet like a freak.
once he's at 12%BF, lets talk again...

Hey tubby did you not have liposuction? Every time your ready to respond to a post, don't! Thanks

[Java Man]

fat guy, should forghet Mc Donald, accept his genetics, and diet like a freak.
once he's at 12%BF, lets talk again...

Who said anything about 'McDonalds'. He said he's lost 100lbs so obviously he's not gorging himself on unhealthy fast food and is doing something right with his diet. Fat? Where's your pics? I've never seen a pic posted of you in all my time here. Don't call people fat who aren't that fat. When I started lifting seriously again in 2012 after a 8-10 year layoff I was very close to 38%. With hard work, great diet, discipline, and proper training he can absolutely get where he wants to be.

Genetics have nothing to do with it. I am a true exomorph. Weighed 135lbs at 19yo, 6' tall. Looked sickly but I was healthy according to my doctors, just underweight. Now I'm 202lbs and can be and have been 230 at 18% bf. You can see vascularity at that bf, and a small part of abs. I am not on AAS and haven't been since 2013. I lost 40+ lbs due to illness last year, which is why I am now only 202. My bf is around 16 now and I'm in my way back to 230 rapidly, again, no drugs.

So before you blast someone looking for advice and being open and honest about it with this kind of useless commentary, remember that youre young and haven't the experience nor apparently the ability/empathy to put yourself in anothers shoes.

If you have nothing positive to contribute, don't.

[Java Man]

I totally agree with you, and i was quoting Andrea in my post where he says that everyone can lose fat 100%,but genetics play a big role on that

My advice: don't listen to Andrea. Read his profile, go to his posts tab and peruse through everything he's ever listed on this forum, then judge for yourself.

[Java Man]

I was looking for some info on a higher BF and taking steroids. I am about 28 percent body fat now. I have lost over a 100 pounds. My diet has been clean since I started and I have had my blood pressure checked and some how even though I use to be that fat it is in great shape. My goal is to build some more muscle while burning off this last part of my fat. I have looked into ordering first cycle and if I do I will take a anti estrogen and pct. My chest has tighten completely up just got that stubborn belly fat. My goal from the start is to compete not for anybody else but for me. Im 26 years old and do 30 mins of cardio everyday and lifting weights 6 days a week. I have put on some good gains just hoping steroids will allow me to train harder and recover faster. I will take steroids but wanting to know if I could now. And the if there is any side effects of having a higher BF percentage other than BP and GYNO thank yall

People always mention blood pressure but rarely (not in this thread yet at any rate) but the more important issue is hyperlipidmia/cholesterolemia (high cholesterol). Higher bf tends to go hand in hand with high cholesterol. Anabolic steroids raise LDL and lower HDL. Double whammy. Many who are overweight also have signs of insulin resistance this puts themvat higher risk for developing type 2 diabetes. You can get all of that down by getting your bf% below 20%. Lower is even better. It is true that I did a Recompisition cycle when I was overweight as I mentioned but I already had many years of training, knowledge, and ASS use in my history. I knew what I was doing and applied it, and it worked. This is not a beginner's advised course if action.

My advice to you OP is continue dieting and eating low fat, high protein foods below your maintenance calories until you get down below 20, preferably 15 or so. Then get a metabolic panel to check your liver, kidney, cholesterol profile. If it looks good, do a low dose test only cycle (low dose is subjective, so I'll state 500mg weekly). Take hCG throughout the cycle to keep your leydig cells functioning so they don't 'dry out' , and do a proper pct to get things back on track HPA wise afterwards. But not until you've assessed your body with the mentioned blood tests.

GL. And please don't cycle at 38% if you care about your cardiovascular health.

[Java Man]

^^^ Genetics definitely Play a huge role in losing fat, building muscle, etc! Good point!

The only thing he said that even resembled truth without all the colorful embellishments. Doesn't mean op can't do it. He just needs to find what DOES work for his body and metabolism. Negative namecalling gets a discussion nowhere.

[Java Man]

We need a 'Bugger off, troll' button next to 'like'

[NACH3]

The only thing he said that even resembled truth without all the colorful embellishments. Doesn't mean op can't do it. He just needs to find what DOES work for his body and metabolism. Negative namecalling gets a discussion nowhere.

You know... I'm glad you addressed this thread Java... And congrats on your weight loss as well! I ballooned up to 225 b4 just looked awful(bloated etc)... This forum has taught, educated me(by reading the stickies), getting feedback from others has been great... Leading me to why this forum(and community) is the best(and safest IMHO)And is now helping me get my life in order(primary hypogonadal)! Thank you all for having helped me this far & I hope I'm returning the favor! Thx all!

[bigtim71]

WhAt is best place to get gear online just got beat out of 500 bucks! Someone please help ! I want the real stuff !

[Oki-Des]

Sorry bigtim71, but you have to start a new thread. Also, you cant ask for sources on this board. It is not like everyone is reliable anyways. You will probably get some private messages from people who will also try to scam you now.

[reporich]

WhAt is best place to get gear online just got beat out of 500 bucks! Someone please help ! I want the real stuff !

That's a great first post! Or not....

[XxAndreaxX]

wOWOWOWO, hello all!!! I actually said I never intend to offend, I’m sorry about that. I call OP Fat, because he personally calls himself Fat, and if I remember he was around 20% fat.
I only try to give him an healthy advice, stay away from drugs, and learn how to deal with his genetics naturally. Once he comes to a point, where there’s no way to go on, he’s always on time to jump on drugs.
I don’t speak of what I heard of, I speak out of experience.
There’s no one on this earth that is not able to shred down to 12%Bf or lower. Simply look at the nazi Konzentrationslager. There were no fat people.
But the deal in BB is not only to get lean and skinny that’s relative easy. We want the best Muscle / Fat ratio, and be the healthiest possible.
At 20% BF, you’ve not the best ratio obviously, nor you’re healthy.
My advice, since the beginning is to get down naturally to 12% BF, workout, and when he gets to that point that nothing goes further, we can talk about AAS...
This is the long explaination of my first post, but, this wasn’t necessary. Why? Because every fat guy I knew in my life, might have lost som crazy pounds at the beginning, and then, got fat again because his will wasn’t strong enough, so I’m not so motivated to give many details anymore.
Now the other question: for me, calling fat is not that cruel. Calling someone ugly is cruel, calling someone short is cruel, maybe even calling someone skinnyfat is cruel, because all those can’t do anything to get out of it (except surgery). But not fat and not skinny. If you’re skinny, you’re actually healthy, so its up to you to decide, if you want to put on some weight and get a little bit more attractive. If you’re fat, you’re unhealthy, and unatractive, but its all up to you and your will.
Why do I say this?? Because I was Ugly and skinnyfat. I’m not rich, and I spent >20k -€ on plastic surgery and AAS.
I had my first girl at 21yo, after operating my nose.
I hope you got the point.

[Java Man]

You know... I'm glad you addressed this thread Java... And congrats on your weight loss as well! I ballooned up to 225 b4 just looked awful(bloated etc)... This forum has taught, educated me(by reading the stickies), getting feedback from others has been great... Leading me to why this forum(and community) is the best(and safest IMHO)And is now helping me get my life in order(primary hypogonadal)! Thank you all for having helped me this far & I hope I'm returning the favor! Thx all!

Thank you, and for the record, I did not have ASS use under my belt lmao. I meant AAS

[Chicagotarsier]

I started my first cycle at over 40% bf. I am under 28% now halfway through my second cycle.

No issues with anything that no one else does not experience. I take the exact same meds and quantities of meds as someone that is <15% bf. I can point you to a whole test group (college football, NFL football) of guys over 30% bf that do just fine cycling. It is urban legend and a BB concept.

Do your research and you will find out that BB in general in the USA was a "homosexual" activity in general until Arnold came on the scene. Even Jack Lalane and such had the rainbow whispers follow them through life. Arnold changed that and all walks of life BB. I say that to say this. SOmeone who does anything quantifies and qualifies it via rating something. Even though every medical journal on the planet says <12% BF is unhealthy they never point to that. It is always that if you are not doing it how I do it you are doing it wrong.

I digress

The key to taking AAs is NOT some rule of thumb crap that people use...because 1 out of every 100 minimum do not fall in that rule of thumb land. This means what you SHOUD be doing is Lab Labs Labs and tracking your health yourself...not listening to tribal knowledge that tohers pass down that may or may not be right for you.

This website focuses on lab work and using your first cycles at a low dose to see how you react to the substance. This allows you to track and to take care of your body the first time around...and these stats rarely change. Once dialed in at a level that level will be the same forever. The only real way you know you are dialed in is via blood work.

The other reality is that most BB are not rich. Rocket scientists make big money....BBs are not rocket scientists. This is not a slam because a lot of BBs are doctors and nutritionists etc. The percentage is heaviy skewed in favor of the BB that cannot afford the luxuries of labs and things of this nature at the intervals best for them..

[Chicagotarsier]

People always mention blood pressure but rarely (not in this thread yet at any rate) but the more important issue is hyperlipidmia/cholesterolemia (high cholesterol). Higher bf tends to go hand in hand with high cholesterol. Anabolic steroids raise LDL and lower HDL. Double whammy. Many who are overweight also have signs of insulin resistance this puts themvat higher risk for developing type 2 diabetes. You can get all of that down by getting your bf% below 20%. Lower is even better. It is true that I did a Recompisition cycle when I was overweight as I mentioned but I already had many years of training, knowledge, and ASS use in my history. I knew what I was doing and applied it, and it worked. This is not a beginner's advised course if action.

My advice to you OP is continue dieting and eating low fat, high protein foods below your maintenance calories until you get down below 20, preferably 15 or so. Then get a metabolic panel to check your liver, kidney, cholesterol profile. If it looks good, do a low dose test only cycle (low dose is subjective, so I'll state 500mg weekly). Take hCG throughout the cycle to keep your leydig cells functioning so they don't 'dry out' , and do a proper pct to get things back on track HPA wise afterwards. But not until you've assessed your body with the mentioned blood tests.

GL. And please don't cycle at 38% if you care about your cardiovascular health.

Type II Diabetis is not a magical disease. If it is due to insulin resistance then the best thing they can do is get fat down. Fastest way is via stimulating the A receptor in the fat cells...test and Tren do this exceptionally well.

Anyway there is no data saying that test is bad on higher body fat people...because it is only used for hormone replacement therapy. So when you say..cycling is bad at higher BF..there have never been any tests of this sort and...there have been no notes of issues of cycles being bad on BF over 15%. I always point to the 600 mg cycle for 20 week test in the Endo journal...no issues with some all the way up to..you guessed it..28%

So

Do your labs

Take your BP

You will know the real score

[Mr.BB]

Type II Diabetis is not a magical disease. If it is due to insulin resistance then the best thing they can do is get fat down. Fastest way is via stimulating the A receptor in the fat cells...test and Tren do this exceptionally well.

Anyway there is no data saying that test is bad on higher body fat people...because it is only used for hormone replacement therapy. So when you say..cycling is bad at higher BF..there have never been any tests of this sort and...there have been no notes of issues of cycles being bad on BF over 15%. I always point to the 600 mg cycle for 20 week test in the Endo journal...no issues with some all the way up to..you guessed it..28%

So

Do your labs

Take your BP

You will know the real score

So are you advising higher fat ppl and diabetes patients to take test and tren cycles??

[NACH3]

Type II Diabetis is not a magical disease. If it is due to insulin resistance then the best thing they can do is get fat down. Fastest way is via stimulating the A receptor in the fat cells...test and Tren do this exceptionally well.

Anyway there is no data saying that test is bad on higher body fat people...because it is only used for hormone replacement therapy. So when you say..cycling is bad at higher BF..there have never been any tests of this sort and...there have been no notes of issues of cycles being bad on BF over 15%. I always point to the 600 mg cycle for 20 week test in the Endo journal...no issues with some all the way up to..you guessed it..28%

So

Do your labs

Take your BP

You will know the real score

As I don't agree w/cycling at higher bf%.... I'm glad to hear that you were ABLE to do so, safely... - congrats on your work!

While your wealth of knowledge is vast, and you've definitely done your research as to cycling period... & on higher bf(yes you have been successful - and many others too, but its not something to suggest) is all I'm saying... Just due to the instant gratification that the younger generation wants!

Again congrats on your work Chicagotarsier! Keep at it my man!

[marcus300]

Don't cycle at your bf just carry on doing what your doing and adjusting your diet and cardio to keep those gains coming along. You will be prone to increased sides with AAS at your bf and I know these can be controlled but your far better off going on cycle to build and bulk rather than cut bf at your stage.

[XxAndreaxX]

now, who's giving bad advices....

[NACH3]

now, who's giving bad advices....

Who? The cycling at high bf% and it's dangers?? I agree as I stated above - would never suggest anyone cycle at higher than 15% and IMO lower the better(obviously if bulking 12% at least for best results!

[ojm3]

Great job OP! Stay working hard and you will be down BF in no time! 100 lbs is no joke bud be proud!

[Java Man]

Type II Diabetis is not a magical disease. If it is due to insulin resistance then the best thing they can do is get fat down. Fastest way is via stimulating the A receptor in the fat cells...test and Tren do this exceptionally well.

Anyway there is no data saying that test is bad on higher body fat people...because it is only used for hormone replacement therapy. So when you say..cycling is bad at higher BF..there have never been any tests of this sort and...there have been no notes of issues of cycles being bad on BF over 15%. I always point to the 600 mg cycle for 20 week test in the Endo journal...no issues with some all the way up to..you guessed it..28%

So

Do your labs

Take your BP

You will know the real score

You quoted me in your post. What in my post is incorrect and please cite verified sources of your refuting of what I said.

Thanks.