more of Obama nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lovbyts]

I just heard and read that the ATF is admitting they made an ERROR in the ban because they ammo they meant to target is actually already banned.

Now does that mean they are not going to ban .223? Probably not.

Also I did some research on the gunpowder chemistry change to shorten shelf life. The rumor has been around since the mid 90s because Clinton was trying to get the primers to expire after a couple of years or less but he never got it passed and Obama did the same thing during his first term but again it never went through.

Now that being said it does not mean any of us will hear about it if it goes through because all he has to do is another executive order so there is no vote or some other under handed process.

I read several gun enthusiast message boards about the subject and unfortunately there are to many people who are too gullible and believe it cant be done. They think it's to hard to change the chemical makeup of black powder. NOT Look what they have done to gasoline. I can remember when farmers use to buy gas and store it in 500 gallon tanks under ground so they did not have to go into town to buy gas all the time and of course it was cheaper to buy in bulk. They changed the gas so it goes bad after just a few months and eventually turns to gel fvcking up your tanks or cars if you let it sit where before you could keep it for a couple years or more if stored properly. It would not be too hard to do the same with powder.

Now there is the arguement that the military would not let that happen since they have to store a lot of ammo but who is to say what they get and what public gets would be the same? Also I'm sure they would have no choice but to comply and keep track if it was done and either use or throw out any ammo that was near expiration date.

Never underestimate the over reaching arm of our current government regimen. It was bad before but has gotten much worse.

[almostgone]

There was a similar fiasco with nyclad ammo back in the day.

[almostgone]

I just heard and read that the ATF is admitting they made an ERROR in the ban because they ammo they meant to target is actually already banned.

Now does that mean they are not going to ban .223? Probably not.

Also I did some research on the gunpowder chemistry change to shorten shelf life. The rumor has been around since the mid 90s because Clinton was trying to get the primers to expire after a couple of years or less but he never got it passed and Obama did the same thing during his first term but again it never went through.

Now that being said it does not mean any of us will hear about it if it goes through because all he has to do is another executive order so there is no vote or some other under handed process.

I read several gun enthusiast message boards about the subject and unfortunately there are to many people who are too gullible and believe it cant be done. They think it's to hard to change the chemical makeup of black powder. NOT Look what they have done to gasoline. I can remember when farmers use to buy gas and store it in 500 gallon tanks under ground so they did not have to go into town to buy gas all the time and of course it was cheaper to buy in bulk. They changed the gas so it goes bad after just a few months and eventually turns to gel fvcking up your tanks or cars if you let it sit where before you could keep it for a couple years or more if stored properly. It would not be too hard to do the same with powder.

Now there is the arguement that the military would not let that happen since they have to store a lot of ammo but who is to say what they get and what public gets would be the same? Also I'm sure they would have no choice but to comply and keep track if it was done and either use or throw out any ammo that was near expiration date.

Never underestimate the over reaching arm of our current government regimen. It was bad before but has gotten much worse.

Never hear of that happening much. I bought WW2 steel case .45ACP vi a buddy that hits the contract sales @ Jackson pretty regularly. I shot the stuff in an older Springfield mil-spec 1911A1. No misfires. no FTF, no FTE...no malfunctions period. Only reason they were dumping it is because 9mm is their pistol caliber...for now.

I do recall them destroying older ordnance back in the day, but never munitions...note that this was quite some time back.

[lovbyts]

Never hear of that happening much. I bought WW2 steel case .45ACP vi a buddy that hits the contract sales @ Jackson pretty regularly. I shot the stuff in an older Springfield mil-spec 1911A1. No misfires. no FTF, no FTE...no malfunctions period. Only reason they were dumping it is because 9mm is their pistol caliber...for now.

I do recall them destroying older ordnance back in the day, but never munitions...make this was quite some time back.

I'm not saying now, only IF they end up changing the powder so it expires. Then they will have to get rid of it. Yeah I remember hearing about that also, destroying old munitions. The problem is I have also seen far to many caches of munitions, arms and other weapons left behind after an military base will pick up and move and then the insurgent end up with all that good stuff and put it to good/bad use. They need to just destroy it if not take it.

[RaginCajun]

I just heard and read that the ATF is admitting they made an ERROR in the ban because they ammo they meant to target is actually already banned.

Now does that mean they are not going to ban .223? Probably not.

Also I did some research on the gunpowder chemistry change to shorten shelf life. The rumor has been around since the mid 90s because Clinton was trying to get the primers to expire after a couple of years or less but he never got it passed and Obama did the same thing during his first term but again it never went through.

Now that being said it does not mean any of us will hear about it if it goes through because all he has to do is another executive order so there is no vote or some other under handed process.

I read several gun enthusiast message boards about the subject and unfortunately there are to many people who are too gullible and believe it cant be done. They think it's to hard to change the chemical makeup of black powder. NOT Look what they have done to gasoline. I can remember when farmers use to buy gas and store it in 500 gallon tanks under ground so they did not have to go into town to buy gas all the time and of course it was cheaper to buy in bulk. They changed the gas so it goes bad after just a few months and eventually turns to gel fvcking up your tanks or cars if you let it sit where before you could keep it for a couple years or more if stored properly. It would not be too hard to do the same with powder.

Now there is the arguement that the military would not let that happen since they have to store a lot of ammo but who is to say what they get and what public gets would be the same? Also I'm sure they would have no choice but to comply and keep track if it was done and either use or throw out any ammo that was near expiration date.

Never underestimate the over reaching arm of our current government regimen. It was bad before but has gotten much worse.

you are correct, here is one article i found: ATF misfire? Guide indicates bullets at center of firestorm already banned; agency blames 'error' | Fox News