Educated cycle at 18

[susticous]

True but at 40 your HPTA is fully matured and you dont have to worry about fusing their growth plates prematurely. 18 your growth plates are not fused, you are not done growing no matter what you think, science proves this. Your HPTA is not matured and it's easier to damage it and seriously damage your natural testosterone production.

Cheers for being level with me man and not condescending. I agree that most people are not done growing but from 18-24 the rate of growth is minimal. Science does prove that but science does not prove that there is a higher risk of damaging you HPTA system by running gear at a younger age, yes indeed it does prove that there can be more risks though! But in most cycle situations the HPTA system is seriously suppressed or shut-down, the problem occurs when arrogant 18 year olds believe they do not need proper PCT to start it back up.

Also like I forgot to mention my growth plates are done growing, proven by X-rays.

[kelkel]

the problem occurs when arrogant 18 year olds believe they do not need proper PCT to start it back up.

So, exactly what is "proper pct" and how do you know it will be effective for you? Yes, we all support a certain pct program but in reality it's still a crap shoot as to how well (or even if) you recover to near normal levels.

[susticous]

So, exactly what is "proper pct" and how do you know it will be effective for you? Yes, we all support a certain pct program but in reality it's still a crap shoot as to how well (or even if) you recover to near normal levels.

Well what I meant by that is ignoring PCT completely.
I agree with you, just like I said a certain cycle will not suit everyone just like PCT.

[ghettoboyd]

So, exactly what is "proper pct" and how do you know it will be effective for you? Yes, we all support a certain pct program but in reality it's still a crap shoot as to how well (or even if) you recover to near normal levels.

exactly^^^there are no guarantees that a proper/perfect pct will restore your hpta / endocrine systems again buddy no guarantees....

[lovbyts]

Cheers for being level with me man and not condescending. I agree that most people are not done growing but from 18-24 the rate of growth is minimal. Science does prove that but science does not prove that there is a higher risk of damaging you HPTA system by running gear at a younger age, yes indeed it does prove that there can be more risks though! But in most cycle situations the HPTA system is seriously suppressed or shut-down, the problem occurs when arrogant 18 year olds believe they do not need proper PCT to start it back up.

Also like I forgot to mention my growth plates are done growing, proven by X-rays.

What 18yr old actually gets x-rays to check growth plates? Sort of hard to believe any doctor would do this without a good reason.

Yes the growth from 18-24 is minimal, at least in height but it's not so minimal as in broadening out. I would say my shoulders got wider and chest bigger well past 25.

[susticous]

What 18yr old actually gets x-rays to check growth plates? Sort of hard to believe any doctor would do this without a good reason.

Yes the growth from 18-24 is minimal, at least in height but it's not so minimal as in broadening out. I would say my shoulders got wider and chest bigger well past 25.

I have no reason to lie, when injured I had many X-rays and eventually had full body X-rays under the 'might as well' idea from my surgeon. I am not sure on the broadening out but believe it is in the same boat as height? Otherwise broadening out is caused by muscle growth and ligament changes.