**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[NACH3]

Do a Google for a pro lat bar, Nach. It puts your palms parallel, facing each other. I tried to post up an image, but the upload bug is still acting up, I think?

Gotcha, isn't that also a D-Ring?.... yup I was thinking Hex bar for deads as palms face each other as well(but instead of the BB, one stands in the middle of a Diamond - Diamond Bar... I've heard people say a Diamond bar too!!!

Thx for the clarification

[almostgone]

I know a few guys that do it themselves and just flush it. I just can't bring myself to do that and a whole blood donation doesn't drop the rbc near as much as a drbc.

I wish I could do a double every 2 months instead of every 4 months. One way or another I'll get the hematocrit/packed cell volume down very soon.

[almostgone]

Gotcha, isn't that also a D-Ring?.... yup I was thinking Hex bar for deads as palms face each other as well(but instead of the BB, one stands in the middle of a Diamond - Diamond Bar... I've heard people say a Diamond bar too!!!

Thx for the clarification

It has a D shaped handle on each end of the bar.

[almostgone]

I know a few guys that do it themselves and just flush it. I just can't bring myself to do that and a whole blood donation doesn't drop the rbc near as much as a drbc.

Believe I'm going to bite the bullet and buy a hemoglobin meter just to help me monitor my blood since it won't act right.

[almostgone]

Time to crash. Hope everyone as a great day.

[clarky.]

They make one with cambered ends too that some people prefer, but so far, I like the way the straight one works for me .

Yes that's the one i was using cambered ends. We've not got a straight one at my gym i don't think anyway.

[DCI]

Did chest tonight fatigues from the week and no break this week due to commitments at the weekend.

The usual rc warm ups.

Incline chest db press 2 warm ups one feeler one heavy and a drop was hard def felt the week of training.

Flat benching same as above and decline.

Was very hard tonight had to dig dead to overcome the pain and the mental blockage of pushing the weight was a good session serious sweat.

[IronClydes]

Hey Guys,

Just wanted your experienced perspective and opinions. I just got my blood-work done, and I am starting my blast tomorrow for my birthday. Please take a look at my blood-work and let me know your thoughts referencing starting my blast tomorrow. My Hematocrit is high, but I will be starting Anastrozole 12.5 EOD tomorrow too, so that should help. Not due for another blood donation until June 10 (I'll do double blood).

Also, with regard to the HIT, is it agreed that this remains the best training format on-cycle as well? I ask because I have read many perspectives that today's top bodybuilders are as big as they are because they can train with massive amounts of volume due to cycling. If this is the case, would it be better to train during a blast/cycle with higher amounts of volume and in the HIT format? (i,e. HVT in the HIT format)

Thanks and looking forward to your feedback!

[BG]

Ya fella's !! Caught up reading, glad to see things are going so well. I hit some legs, got my partner to not squat this week and just do machines. Next week we will squat front/back/lunge/extensions.

Front extensions
Lay down reverse curls
Calves
Hack squat
Donkey squat
Legs press
Calves

Funny thing is my friend and I push each other so much. I forgot what it was like to train with someone 275, but Im going to start growing right away. Things are good, the 5 months of getting back to 100% at planet fitness has paid off. KEEP GRINDING GUYS !

[kelkel]

Hey Guys,

Just wanted your experienced perspective and opinions. I just got my blood-work done, and I am starting my blast tomorrow for my birthday. Please take a look at my blood-work and let me know your thoughts referencing starting my blast tomorrow. My Hematocrit is high, but I will be starting Anastrozole 12.5 EOD tomorrow too, so that should help. Not due for another blood donation until June 10 (I'll do double blood).

Also, with regard to the HIT, is it agreed that this remains the best training format on-cycle as well? I ask because I have read many perspectives that today's top bodybuilders are as big as they are because they can train with massive amounts of volume due to cycling. If this is the case, would it be better to train during a blast/cycle with higher amounts of volume and in the HIT format? (i,e. HVT in the HIT format)

Thanks and looking forward to your feedback!

Adex won't help your hematocrit. I'd find a way to donate before you start.

[IronClydes]

Adex won't help your hematocrit. I'd find a way to donate before you start.

I just did a Double RBC donation February 18th....only 50 days ago. Unfortunately, that leaves me another 2 months before I can do again.

Reflecting on my blood-work history, since 2004, I average about 47-48. I didn't even start TRT until Jan 2014, and my first blast was Jul 2014. So, my hematocrit is not much higher than my 11 year average off-testosterone.

With no other way to donate for the next 2 months, any other suggestions? I wouldn't qualify for a phlebotomy medically without causing my doctors to drop my TRT out of reaction to the need for one.

[Hazard]

Home blood donation..... Right to the sink lol

[almostgone]

Home blood donation..... Right to the sink lol

I'm going to have a go at that myself this weekend. Last time was no bueno. I just had labs run last week so while I'm at the Dr. tomorrow I'm going to see what my hematocrit was then. I honestly almost fell out of the chair when my hemoglobin came in @ 19.1 during yesterday's blood donation.

[Hazard]

I'm going to have a go at that myself this weekend. Last time was no bueno. I just had labs run last week so while I'm at the Dr. tomorrow I'm going to see what my hematocrit was then. I honestly almost fell out of the chair when my hemoglobin came in @ 19.1 during yesterday's blood donation.

Mine came back high too..... Almost Wasnt able to donate. I've been off for a while now so it should have dropped

[almostgone]

My hemoglobin was 19.1 which would roughly equal hematocrit of 57.3. I hate to ask the Dr. for a therapeutic draw if I can handle this myself. Sure don't want to spook her regarding my TRT. I'm just now feeling semi-decent.

[Hazard]

My hemoglobin was 19.1 which would roughly equal hematocrit of 57.3. I hate to ask the Dr. for a therapeutic draw if I can handle this myself. Sure don't want to spook her regarding my TRT. I'm just now feeling semi-decent.

My sister was a phlebotomist for a few years lol so I have help if I need to doit haha

[almostgone]

My sister in law was a phlebotomist while she earned her RN, but she is uncooperative.

[Hazard]

My sister in law was a phlebotomist while she earned her RN, but she is uncooperative.

Lmao yea - can't exactly disclose why you need to drain extra blood to the whole fam haha

[clarky.]

Hey Guys,

Just wanted your experienced perspective and opinions. I just got my blood-work done, and I am starting my blast tomorrow for my birthday. Please take a look at my blood-work and let me know your thoughts referencing starting my blast tomorrow. My Hematocrit is high, but I will be starting Anastrozole 12.5 EOD tomorrow too, so that should help. Not due for another blood donation until June 10 (I'll do double blood).

Also, with regard to the HIT, is it agreed that this remains the best training format on-cycle as well? I ask because I have read many perspectives that today's top bodybuilders are as big as they are because they can train with massive amounts of volume due to cycling. If this is the case, would it be better to train during a blast/cycle with higher amounts of volume and in the HIT format? (i,e. HVT in the HIT format)

Thanks and looking forward to your feedback!

Tduff you should wait till you get this down before you start your blast it's not good for you at all so doing this blast will just make it higher.

As for the training just do what works for you these guy are this size because of there genetics,drugs,food, ect ect. HVT in the HIT format is a no no they are two different things so you can do one or the other or a mix of the both.

And you have mixed up adex with aromasin just a typo i know.

[clarky.]

Back is really fried the day and it will be bi's later.

HIT training gives you wings lats are coming along nice.

[NACH3]

My back is totally spent and sore as a mofo...

The only thing is I woke up on my right shoulder and it's kinda spasming up my neck and down into my fingers ... And it's shoulder day... We will see if this subsides b4 gym time... But not liking this atm...

[clarky.]

My back is totally spent and sore as a mofo...

The only thing is I woke up on my right shoulder and it's kinda spasming up my neck and down into my fingers ... And it's shoulder day... We will see if this subsides b4 gym time... But not liking this atm...

Take it easy nach.

[NACH3]

Take it easy nach.

Thx clarky/AG... I was gonna take off and go tomorrow... Sometimes it's good to get in there and work it a lil(pull back - but more volume actually hurts moreso than heavy weight training)... It's starting to loosen up but I def do not want any tweaks or injuries(set backs period)...

You think if I felt er out and if it doesn't seem right just call it a day?! Plus I'm donating in the afternoon(so I'll probly be a lil tired from the initial donation(but feel better tomorrow... My crit was 46 during mids(1.5/2 wks ago)... So I know I'll be more energized!

[hawk14dl]

Considering your discomfort today, and the fact you're donating. . Personally I'd take the day off. have a rest day! Nothing bad has ever come from taking a day off

[NACH3]

Very true very true!! Thx Hawk!

Edit: the spasming has stopped about an he ago... I'm gonna go in and just do some lighter movements to release some stiffness(if I don't my shoulder freezes up sometimes... If anything and I mean anything feels off I'm callin it a day!!!! Gotta loosen this up and I don't have any equipment to do so... All my bands are still at my ex's lol! But I think this is best for my situation(again just going yhru the notions - will report back)!!!

[NACH3]

No presses?! If I do it's gonna be at end... Gonna do pre exhaust w/lighter weight... Need to start a Deliad wk!

[almostgone]

Shoot, just do some stretching and kick back, Nach. The gym will be there tomorrow.

[NACH3]

Shoot, just do some stretching and kick back, Nach. The gym will be there tomorrow.

Yeah the more I think about it I will! Thx guys I need to hear this(disregard the pre w/o in the diet sec I didn't take it yet ...

Appreciate it! I have to learn that rest is more important than actually lifting!

[almostgone]

OK guys, I think the cute girl at the blood center misread her hemoglobin meter. Using her hemo figures, my hematocrit should be in the 57-59% range.
I just got my shot and while I was here, I asked for my hematocrit values from my labs 1 week ago. Hematocrit was a shade over 52%. I'm thinking the cute girl read a hemoglobin value of 17.7 as 19.7. The young lady seemed preoccupied with my tattoos and for.some reason my eyes. D@mn if I know why, maybe my glasses were dirty or something.
The only self injects between my lab and the blood donation were 2- 1cc shots consisting of .5cc prop and .5cc NPP and I don't see that elevating hematocrit over 5% in just under a week.
Still plan to order a hemoglobin/hematocrit meter today and attempt a little self phlebotomy. With naturally high hematocrit and FactorV Leiden I want to be very conservative and cautious with a little experiment I plan to test drive.
I feel much so much better about this now.

[Sfla80]

OK guys, I think the cute girl at the blood center misread her hemoglobin meter. Using her hemo figures, my hematocrit should be in the 57-59% range.
I just got my shot and while I was here, I asked for my hematocrit values from my labs 1 week ago. Hematocrit was a shade over 52%. I'm thinking the cute girl read a hemoglobin value of 17.7 as 19.7. The young lady seemed preoccupied with my tattoos and for.some reason my eyes. D@mn if I know why, maybe my glasses were dirty or something.
The only self injects between my lab and the blood donation were 2- 1cc shots consisting of .5cc prop and .5cc NPP and I don't see that elevating hematocrit over 5% in just under a week.
Still plan to order a hemoglobin/hematocrit meter today and attempt a little self phlebotomy. With naturally high hematocrit and FactorV Leiden I want to be very conservative and cautious with a little experiment I plan to test drive.
I feel much so much better about this now.

Ag can u post a link to the meter you are going to get? Will amazon or places like that carry them?

Glad to hear it's "lower" then u thought!!

What's the average level for a male anyways....normal lifestyle that is..

[clarky.]

OK guys, I think the cute girl at the blood center misread her hemoglobin meter. Using her hemo figures, my hematocrit should be in the 57-59% range.
I just got my shot and while I was here, I asked for my hematocrit values from my labs 1 week ago. Hematocrit was a shade over 52%. I'm thinking the cute girl read a hemoglobin value of 17.7 as 19.7. The young lady seemed preoccupied with my tattoos and for.some reason my eyes. D@mn if I know why, maybe my glasses were dirty or something.
The only self injects between my lab and the blood donation were 2- 1cc shots consisting of .5cc prop and .5cc NPP and I don't see that elevating hematocrit over 5% in just under a week.
Still plan to order a hemoglobin/hematocrit meter today and attempt a little self phlebotomy. With naturally high hematocrit and FactorV Leiden I want to be very conservative and cautious with a little experiment I plan to test drive.
I feel much so much better about this now.

Glasses were dirty you crack me up AG your some man.
She must have read that wrong eh.

[clarky.]

Ok just back from doing bi's whopper of a session. Ripped the arse right out this one as well. Stretching then standing db curls for a warm up then did this again.

No pre ex the day again.

Standing db curls 1 working+RP drop+RP drop +RP **new weight**

Incline db curl 1working+RP drop+RP drop+RP

Standing BB curl 1working+RP then cheat curls just to get it up then i got 3 good neg &1 not so good lol.

Standing db hammer curls 2 sets each one to fail

Cable curls straight bar 1working DD

Done. I kid you not my bi's are fried total fried they are sore the now. On the cable curls i did very slow neg on them as well. I felt great the day i was really in the mood to destroy them and i did.

[NACH3]

Nice clarky! Seems as if your RCs are looser/& feeling better?!

Your crushin your sessions, my man! Well done!

[NACH3]

Well guys I did find some DBs and bands for loosening up my shoulders... At home!

1. Light front/side lateral raises(Bio style palms up) I really like these(isolates those rear delts nicely(even w/low weight felt a great burn)... 3working suppersetted 10-12 reps

2. High/low rears(bands - using feet and pull up bar - prison style lol) except no water bags

3. Shrugs holding the eccentric part(top squeeze for 5+sec)

4. Pressed w/bands

Weighted abs/Swiss ball/leg raises/and ball roll outs...

Good blood flow - needed a switch up(light day) but shoulder is much more mobile now... Way less pain! Thx fellas for talking me out!!

[kelkel]

I just did a Double RBC donation February 18th....only 50 days ago. Unfortunately, that leaves me another 2 months before I can do again.

Reflecting on my blood-work history, since 2004, I average about 47-48. I didn't even start TRT until Jan 2014, and my first blast was Jul 2014. So, my hematocrit is not much higher than my 11 year average off-testosterone.

With no other way to donate for the next 2 months, any other suggestions? I wouldn't qualify for a phlebotomy medically without causing my doctors to drop my TRT out of reaction to the need for one.

Omega 3's, Vit E and be sure to hydrate very well. There are other dietary things out there but I can't remember at the moment.

[NACH3]

Omega 3's, Vit E and be sure to hydrate very well. There are other dietary things out there but I can't remember at the moment.

Tduff... To add to Kel post... Lots of omega 3s in good whole foods(Ezekiel bread/Daves power seeded bread, etc)... What about D3 Kel?!

[almostgone]

Ag can u post a link to the meter you are going to get? Will amazon or places like that carry them?

Glad to hear it's "lower" then u thought!!

What's the average level for a male anyways....normal lifestyle that is..

SFLA, the ranges vary slightly from lab to lab I believe, but Mayo Clinic defines normal as 38.8 to 50%, which is a tad on the conservative side, IMO.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-proc...s/prc-20015009

I started TRT @ 52.8% as best as I can recall and the highest actual hematocrit lab value I've had was 54.2%, but again I'm working off of memory.
I've always run at or above the higher end of the "normal" range.

I'm still comparison shopping on the hemoglobin/hematocrit meter, but as soon as I settle on one, I'll post up a link.

[almostgone]

Ok just back from doing bi's whopper of a session. Ripped the arse right out this one as well. Stretching then standing db curls for a warm up then did this again.

No pre ex the day again.

Standing db curls 1 working+RP drop+RP drop +RP **new weight**

Incline db curl 1working+RP drop+RP drop+RP

Standing BB curl 1working+RP then cheat curls just to get it up then i got 3 good neg &1 not so good lol.

Standing db hammer curls 2 sets each one to fail

Cable curls straight bar 1working DD

Done. I kid you not my bi's are fried total fried they are sore the now. On the cable curls i did very slow neg on them as well. I felt great the day i was really in the mood to destroy them and i did.

NICE, Clarky!! Think you'll be able to fully straighten your arms tomorrow?

[almostgone]

Omega 3's, Vit E and be sure to hydrate very well. There are other dietary things out there but I can't remember at the moment.

Kel, if you recall that info later on, would you post it up when you have time?
Thanks, Kel! You always have solid , relevant info to share and I can promise you it is greatly appreciated!

[IronClydes]

Tduff you should wait till you get this down before you start your blast it's not good for you at all so doing this blast will just make it higher. As for the training just do what works for you these guy are this size because of there genetics,drugs,food, ect ect. HVT in the HIT format is a no no they are two different things so you can do one or the other or a mix of the both. And you have mixed up adex with aromasin just a typo i know.

Thanks Clarky. This is breaking my heart...been waiting anxiously to start this blast. It already got postponed twice for blood work. I can't imagine having to wait another 2 months...and another blood test at that.

I can't squeak by and start today as planned?

Maybe look into this monitor AG is taking about and do a self donation of necessary?

Any good places to find info on doing it yourself?

225, 6', 33, 15% bf, bench 320, squat 405, dead 465.