The Science of Stacking Steroids

[anabolicsqa]

One thing is for sure, you can make 2+2=5, you can reduce sides, and you can increase gains. Take the time to educate yourself on the 3 steroid bases, the steroids that fall within each, and their individual effects.

jimmy - glad I read this info about the 3 bases, so now I know the right gear to stack. I'm planning on a 6-week cutting phase. For me, I have chosen Testosterone Propionate, Trenbolone Acetate (19-nor), and Winstrol (DHT). Without knowing that Trenbolone and Deca are both 19-nor types, I might hae made the mistake of stacking Deca with Trenbolone.

Trenbolone and Winstrol are known to be harsh, but effective for cutting, so I'm already decided on this cutting stack. I've got Anastrozole (Arimidex) as my anti-estrogen, but is it necessary to also include Letrozole as an anti-progestin and anti-estrogen? (Letrozole is super pricey for me. It costs me about double or triple the price of gear like Testosterone Propionate.)

Would it be a good idea to post about this cutting-cycle in a separate thread?

[jimmyinkedup]

jimmy - glad I read this info about the 3 bases, so now I know the right gear to stack. I'm planning on a 6-week cutting phase. For me, I have chosen Testosterone Propionate, Trenbolone Acetate (19-nor), and Winstrol (DHT). Without knowing that Trenbolone and Deca are both 19-nor types, I might hae made the mistake of stacking Deca with Trenbolone.

Trenbolone and Winstrol are known to be harsh, but effective for cutting, so I'm already decided on this cutting stack. I've got Anastrozole (Arimidex) as my anti-estrogen, but is it necessary to also include Letrozole as an anti-progestin and anti-estrogen? (Letrozole is super pricey for me. It costs me about double or triple the price of gear like Testosterone Propionate.)

Would it be a good idea to post about this cutting-cycle in a separate thread?

No you dont need to include letro with adex. That would for sure crash your e2 levels. I would personally use adex to manage my e2 and have prami on hand in case you should incur prolatin type sides.
The stack you outlined is a perfect example of the synergy a stack can afford you. You see winstrol itself has anti progestenic properties (it occupies but does not activate the progesterone receptor) making it a nice compliment to 19 nors in that regard.
For more cycle feedback I would post your cycle in the steroid q&a section for feedback on it. I am merely commenting on it with regards to this thread and how it is an example of the synergy a stack can afford you.

[anabolicsqa]

I see what you're saying about staying on-topic. I think this post stays on the subject of DHT-based steroids, and the stuff about DHT-based steroids use in cutting is farily general information.

(Um, my source "forgot" to include the oral Stanozolol(Winstrol) in my shipment. The source was a U.S. underground lab.)

So I did some reading on the DHT-based profiles and decided to order "name brand" Proviron from the U.K. My decision to go with Proviron over other DHTs (Masteron, Primobolan, Anavar, Stanozolol) was based on active life (in hours/days), the androgenic/anabolic ratio, side-effects, and most importantly, the amount of androgenic, DHT activity you get for the cost.

Anyway, with no Winstrol/Stanozolol, I went shopping for brand-name Winstrol this time, but started having second thoughts on Winstrol. As I read the DHT-based steroid profiles, I found steroids with a higher Androgenic/Anabolic ratio than "Stanozolol(Winstrol). For example, Winstrol's Androgenic/Anabolic Ratio is 30:320, and Proviron's is 30-40:100-150, so I guesstimated that Proviron's DHT-based, androgenic effects probably sell at a lower price than a brand-name DHT-based alternative, like Winstrol, Masteron, or Primobolan.

Then as I went over the DHT-based steroids' profiles, I finally realized the primary use for DHT-based steroids in a stack: for cutting! The DHT binds strongly to the ARs in fat cells resulting in a lipolytic effect. This seems on-topic with the thread. It might be useful to others who don't get DHT-based steroids like Masteron or Primobolan. Just like I hadn't.

I've been meaning to post a new thread, on "The Science of Cutting", but I've got too many of questions and too little time to make a coherent thread right now...it might take me a while to put the thread up.


thx for the info btw, Jimmy

[jimmyinkedup]

I see what you're saying about staying on-topic. I think this post stays on the subject of DHT-based steroids, and the stuff about DHT-based steroids use in cutting is farily general information.

(Um, my source "forgot" to include the oral Stanozolol(Winstrol) in my shipment. The source was a U.S. underground lab.)

So I did some reading on the DHT-based profiles and decided to order "name brand" Proviron from the U.K. My decision to go with Proviron over other DHTs (Masteron, Primobolan, Anavar, Stanozolol) was based on active life (in hours/days), the androgenic/anabolic ratio, side-effects, and most importantly, the amount of androgenic, DHT activity you get for the cost.

Anyway, with no Winstrol/Stanozolol, I went shopping for brand-name Winstrol this time, but started having second thoughts on Winstrol. As I read the DHT-based steroid profiles, I found steroids with a higher Androgenic/Anabolic ratio than "Stanozolol(Winstrol). For example, Winstrol's Androgenic/Anabolic Ratio is 30:320, and Proviron's is 30-40:100-150, so I guesstimated that Proviron's DHT-based, androgenic effects probably sell at a lower price than a brand-name DHT-based alternative, like Winstrol, Masteron, or Primobolan.

Then as I went over the DHT-based steroids' profiles, I finally realized the primary use for DHT-based steroids in a stack: for cutting! The DHT binds strongly to the ARs in fat cells resulting in a lipolytic effect. This seems on-topic with the thread. It might be useful to others who don't get DHT-based steroids like Masteron or Primobolan. Just like I hadn't.

I've been meaning to post a new thread, on "The Science of Cutting", but I've got too many of questions and too little time to make a coherent thread right now...it might take me a while to put the thread up.


thx for the info btw, Jimmy

I wasn't implying you were off topic at all. In fact I was saying your stack example was very good one of the synergy a stack can afford you.
I will say and caution you to this, do NOT put a lot of stock in A/A ratio and how they translate to real world effects of a steroid. There are a slew of examples where the #'s just do not coorlate to the actual real world effects a compound will offer/afford to you.
Thanks for posting!

[anabolicsqa]

Nah, thank you man.

Good to be aware of the point you made about A/A ratios...but I'm left somewhat confused how to evaluate gear if I can't trust the numbers.

Until I joined the forum, a lot of what I "know" about steroids has come from
(a) real-life experience,
(b)steroid profiles
(c)research articles (for example, what's listed under the References sections in the steroid profiles or on PubMed).

Besides the forums, real-life bodybuilding friends(mine are distant now), or experience by trial-and-error, are there any other resources where you'd find realistic information on gear?

[kelkel]

Nah, thank you man.

.but I'm left somewhat confused how to evaluate gear if I can't trust the numbers.

By doing exactly what you're doing now. Researching, asking questions and striving to learn.