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    I'm 25 205lbs, 385 bench, 500 dead, 450 squat, 205 over head ,body fat 13%, I've read that link and was just wondering for low doses of test using arimidex as my AI every other day, and I also heard hcg on cycle can be counter productive and its best used post cycle? Also pct starting 18 days after last injection

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    Quote Originally Posted by ma2t9x View Post
    I'm 25 205lbs, 385 bench, 500 dead, 450 squat, 205 over head ,body fat 13%, I've read that link and was just wondering for low doses of test using arimidex as my AI every other day, and I also heard hcg on cycle can be counter productive and its best used post cycle? Also pct starting 18 days after last injection
    You will see results from 400 mg/week of test but if you're going to shut your HPG axis down you might as will do 500 mg/week. Also, you should expect that UGLs products will be weaker than pharma grade. I would only use less than 500mg/week of test e or c if I was adding another compound. As I'm sure you're aware test only for first cycles.

    When using 500-600 mg/week of test you should begin taking dex at 0.25 mg/EOD. Then have BW half way through your cycle and titrate the dex dosage as needed. When you have mid cycle BW you should get a sensitive estradiol assay, because the standard e2 test is tailored to women. Men will usually get a higher than actual score on the standard e2 test. Mid cycle BW will also let you know the quality of your gear.

    Hcg should only be used on cycle unless you need to to a Power PCT. Hcg stimulates the leydig cells and keeps them functioning while one is introducing exogenous test. This will increase your chances of having successful PCT. Hcg is repressive to natural LH production. This is why it should not be used during PCT. Though he is entertaining, Piana is a successful idiot.

    HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

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    Thank you for clearing things up, also the cyp I'm getting is medical grade, buying it from my brother in law that is prescribed it, I will definitely include hcg during my cycle but do you think I need to use it throughout my whole cycle ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ma2t9x View Post
    Thank you for clearing things up, also the cyp I'm getting is medical grade, buying it from my brother in law that is prescribed it, I will definitely include hcg during my cycle but do you think I need to use it throughout my whole cycle ?
    Yes, 250iu e3.5days(500iu total wkly) throughout starting from beginning up to 3 days prior to pct starting! It keeps your testes functional and will aid in a better recovery! HCG at the end of a cycle is outdated, HCG also mimics your LH production which stimulates your leydig cells! So all the science points to HCG on cycle not after!

    I'd also run it at least 12wks as it'll take 14-18 to clear...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3
    Yes, 250iu e3.5days(500iu total wkly) throughout starting from beginning up to 3 days prior to pct starting! It keeps your testes functional and will aid in a better recovery! HCG at the end of a cycle is outdated, HCG also mimics your LH production which stimulates your leydig cells! So all the science points to HCG on cycle not after! I'd also run it at least 12wks as it'll take 14-18 to clear...
    Thanks for the post and the help that's one thing I was confused about also for pct nolva alone for low doses of test or should I really add clomid I've seen in other forums that people have just used one or the other and nolva being the favorite, tips or suggestions on that?

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