Don't grow from 1g of test

[gege2003]

Guys i need help.. i am doing 100mg test prop ed. Now are more than 9 week on,side effect are very heavy for me at least.. Panic attack that sometimes last all day. Anxiety.., Blood pressure at 140/80 with peak at 155/88 at night,hematocrit 54,hemoglobin 18,5,acne,shitty lipid,insomnia,social life... I use arimidex so no estro issue.
Stuff is straight from the pharmacy.. can't be fake. When i say pharmacy i mean pharmacy not my friends give me and say it's from pharmacy NO!

Heighy 172cmx81kg 19%bodyfat First cycle

Diet is good 3000 clean calorie.. around 800kcal surplus

I put only fat.... i started at 172x75kg 14%bodyfat
To bet honest my training is not on point but i go every set to failure almost ed,no result... why?

A buddy say to me try a program like bill starr or wendler follow progression you will grow at half dose.

I say to him" Something is wrong in teory with 700mg of test in my body,i will grow watching tv"

Another friend that is in the game for a while say"You are a no responder to anabolic" When he say that i was so sad.. bodybuilding is only thing that make me feel happy. When i see myself better at mirror i am so happy.

Suggestion please?

[Bio-Active]

What does your nutrition look like?

[gege2003]

3000kcal

all carb i eat come from pasta or low fat milk total of 420carb
protein come from chicken breast and milk total of 250
Fat come from olive oil 35

on off day i cut 30 carb and add 30 protein

[SEOINAGE]

Are you sure you put on just fat?
Also if you aren't busting your butt training, going to have less than stellar results. Those calories aren't that high, but you are gaining weight of some form, so it is still a surplus, maybe too much of a surplus, so maybe that is what is happening and it makes you look less muscular.
Also training to failure isn't required, and there are better ways to go about your training. Your friends were probably right about less test and following a good program. If anything I wouldn't even be cycling in your shoes.

[TheTaxMan]

Id like to think if i was taking 1g of test id be eating more than 3000 calories. It doesnt really add up to me, pumping in a high dose of gear and not matching it with the calories, id expect to be more near the 4000 calories with a gram of test

Try different training maybe more reps 14-16 with less rest time and vary your exercises a bit.

[qscgugcsq]

First of you certainly gained water not fat.

3000 calories is baby quantity... I cut on that amount...
So eat more.

If you are lactose intolerent cut the milk cause it reduce absorption of nutriment.

Taking each set to failure is stupid you train yourself to.fail the lift.(small.musce its ok but not on big lift)

Follow the advise of your friend and follow a proper program.
Eat more.
Cut lactose.

And I hope you use an anti estrogens...

people.that dont react to.steroids are extremely rare... most certainly.not.your case.
But yes there is people reacting more than others. Me by example.im running over 2g/week and dont see as much as most people on half that amount...
Thats part of the game.

And btw. 100ED = 700mg per week.
Not 1g...

[djgreen]

what does your training program constist of tell us what you do every week in the gym

[magic32]

My first thought is that you're not properly stimulating the muscle to induce growth. You confirmed it with your comment, "To be honest my training is not on point..." Failure doesn't necessarily equal proper stimulation and breakdown of muscle fibers. Diet sounds solid, so take a hard look at your training regimen. More specifically, the number of sets per body part, the number of reps per set, but probably most important the actual amount of weight you're lifting. Are you going heavy enough on each body part, but especially on base exercises like squats and bench??? Remember gear promotes protein anabolism, this is most pronounced within the repair of muscular breakdown.

[djgreen]

also I don't know abt any one else my first cycle of test I didn't exactly explode with muscle like I was expecting I just grew a little faster than normal you gotta remember steroids are supplements not magic pixy dust

[davidtheman100]

Even 500mg pharm grade test will thicken the hell out of you...Your shit must be bunk

[gege2003]

Thank you guy for the interess,the weight i put on is fat not water why? because i make the mistake to use to much adex, i was using 1mg every3d,last week i take 1mg more in between and i know for sure that i had crashed my estro. Now i am on 0.5 e3day.

I do on average 15 set x bodypart and i always go heavy 6-8rep... always to failure

my split is- chest biceps,lats triceps,leg,shoulder..

maybe is the failure? when i was natty i don't get result from him but i remember i blow up in 2 month with wendler 5 3 1, but on 700mg of test look a bit under stimulating to me.

[gege2003]

Even 500mg pharm grade test will thicken the hell out of you...Your shit must be bunk

if my gear is bunk,my aspirin maybe bunk too.. i take them at same place.

[Bio-Active]

If your crit level is 54 clearly your gear is real. You should look at doing a blood donation and take a hard look at both your training and nutrition

[gege2003]

Can you guys give me advice for a effective routine? i will go another 10 week on and this time i wanna grow.

i will shot for 3500... so 1200 kcal surplus this is insanity but i will try.. would train twice a day make a difference?

[gege2003]

If your crit level is 54 clearly your gear is real. You should look at doing a blood donation and take a hard look at both your training and nutrition

i will donate blood as soon as i can, nutrition is on point... training i need help

[davidtheman100]

i will donate blood as soon as i can, nutrition is on point... training i need help

Do exercises for the muscles you're working on that day....MAGIC

[Bio-Active]

i will donate blood as soon as i can, nutrition is on point... training i need help

post up what you are yesterday? I'm not saying it's not on point but a lot of people think it is and it really isn't

[gege2003]

Do exercises for the muscles you're working on that day....MAGIC

wow,thank you very much

[gege2003]

post up what you are yesterday? I'm not saying it's not on point but a lot of people think it is and it really isn't

I don't understand this sentence "post up what you are yesterday" anyway i arleady write my macros.. i am in a surplus i am gaining 1.5pound for week... my arms are always same size.. only inches that are going up is my belly inches.

[Bio-Active]

I don't understand this sentence "post up what you are yesterday" anyway i arleady write my macros.. i am in a surplus i am gaining 1.5pound for week... my arms are always same size.. only inches that are going up is my belly inches.

post what you ate yesterday

[Oki-Des]

I always thought a gram of test was 1000mg per week.

[gege2003]

post what you ate yesterday

i wake up late... i don't do breakast
lunch:

200g of pasta 250g of chicken breast 15g of olive oil

2 hours after i workout come back and eat :

250g of pasta 300g of chicken breast

3 hours after 1 liter of low fat milk

that are 3150kcal

[Mr.BB]

With that diet you will be unhealthy as hell.

So you think an unhealthy, stressed body will grow muscles??

What is your age? You sound very young...

[gege2003]

With that diet you will be unhealthy as hell.

So you think an unhealthy, stressed body will grow muscles??

What is your age? You sound very young...

what is unhealthy about that diet?

I am 25

one more thing.... i am a little bit pissed,why everybody say it's not good,it's not good bla bla bla but don't suggest me how to make thing good?

if i am not growing i know arleady i am doing something wrong... so i need that somebody tell me this is not good do this ,do that.

For my blood work only thing out of range are hematocrit, and lipid are still in range but my doc say it's high for my age

[Bio-Active]

You need to go to the nutrition forum and post your meal plan. They will help you get this sorted out

[Far from massive]

I would agree with you that you for sure crashed you estro.

I would ask some others as I am far from an expert but for now I would cut the Adex down to .25 twice a week. ( and of course if you can get a blood test that would be a great idea)

Also I know some can do well on a few large meals a day but the vast majority will fare lots better eating 5 times a day. And as far as gaining fat drinking a liter of any milk is bad but skim is the only way to go and its a terrible meal substitute. Eat some vegetable's and make sure your taking a multi vitamin every day as you damn sure are not getting enough from your food intake.

As far as workout you could post up yours but you would probably do better searching the threads for one. Make sure you are not over training...muscles only grow while resting.

Good luck.

PS Two easy meals.

Start your day with a cup of oats in a cup of skim milk 60gms of carbs and 20 of protein

After workout right at gym Whey and Oats another 50 gms of protein and 40 of carbs.

Now go ahead with your other meals but add some veggies

[gege2003]

i read that crushed estrogen can inibit gain.. but why people grow with non aromatase stuff?

i start use adex week 5 at 1mg e3day... first week i take 3 1mg pills

i am sure i am overtraining... i arleady say i don't have a training play when i go to gym my gol is destroy muscle that i am working.

i will switch to wendler 5 3 1 ... never go to failure

[qscgugcsq]

Wanna know what to change.
Cut lactose include small portion of veggies.
Add lots of oat

You dont eat enough plain and simple

3000 calorie is way too small to.grow...

[gege2003]

Wanna know what to change.
Cut lactose include small portion of veggies.
Add lots of oat

You dont eat enough plain and simple

3000 calorie is way too small to.grow...

hi,if i gain weight at steady pace and i gain fat..,my tdee is 2300.. i am a student don't do shit all day.

will try 3500..

i will add oat and decrease pasta and milk thank you for advice

[Sfla80]

i read that crushed estrogen can inibit gain.. but why people grow with non aromatase stuff?

i start use adex week 5 at 1mg e3day... first week i take 3 1mg pills

i am sure i am overtraining... i arleady say i don't have a training play when i go to gym my gol is destroy muscle that i am working.

i will switch to wendler 5 3 1 ... never go to failure

1mg e3day??

3mg in one day?

These guys are right. U crashed ur E.

They aren't busting your balls man....they know what they r talking about. Just please listen.

[gege2003]

1mg e3day??

3mg in one day?

These guys are right. U crashed ur E.

They aren't busting your balls man....they know what they r talking about. Just please listen.

i will listen them... no 3mg in trough first week.

[gege2003]

another thing.. i don't wanna open another tread... can failure stop progress from firing to much cns?

tips for workout? thank you everybody for helping.

[Sfla80]

i will listen them... no 3mg in trough first week.

3mg in first week when the test hasn't even built up man.

A normal dose of dex to start as a base is .25...so u u took 12 times the normal dose. Then continued to take 4 times the normal dose.

[gege2003]

3mg in first week when the test hasn't even built up man.

A normal dose of dex to start as a base is .25...so u u took 12 times the normal dose. Then continued to take 4 times the normal dose.

no man.. i start week 5 adex because itchy nipple

[Khazima]

another thing.. i don't wanna open another tread... can failure stop progress from firing to much cns?

tips for workout? thank you everybody for helping.

Yes, especially if you're doing it on the big lifts. On something like bicep curls and chest flies it's not really going to matter and may even be necessary.

Training tips: find a structured program you enjoy and stick to it, progressively adding weight.

[Randy91]

3000kcal

all carb i eat come from pasta or low fat milk total of 420carb
protein come from chicken breast and milk total of 250
Fat come from olive oil 35

on off day i cut 30 carb and add 30 protein

IF you are 81kg body weight.

Up that fat intake to 90g a day
protein is good at 250g a day.
carb is good at 450g a day.

my general rule is:

3g Protein per kg body weight
1g fat per kg
and rest of calories from carbs.

so...
90g fat = 810 calories
250g protein = 1000 cal
450g carb = 1800 cal

total of 3610 calories

and on your off day just drop the carb to 300g.

not a HUGE increase in the calories but just try increasing the fat intake to get your calories a bit higher.

[gege2003]

IF you are 81kg body weight.

Up that fat intake to 90g a day
protein is good at 250g a day.
carb is good at 450g a day.

my general rule is:

3g Protein per kg body weight
1g fat per kg
and rest of calories from carbs.

so...
90g fat = 810 calories
250g protein = 1000 cal
450g carb = 1800 cal

total of 3610 calories

and on your off day just drop the carb to 300g.

not a HUGE increase in the calories but just try increasing the fat intake to get your calories a bit higher.

thank you...

[Mr.BB]

what is unhealthy about that diet

No vegetables, no fruit, no fish or healthy fats, no fiber, no breakfast,etc

No wonder lipids are bad.

250grs of pasta is that cooked or dry?

IMO a stressed body will have a hard time growing, you hematocrit is horrible at 54%, think you should stop cycle and get yourself healthy and try again in a few months.

What are studying?? Must be a hard subject to be studying till 25...

[gege2003]

250g of pasta dry.. what wrong? has same nutrition value of rise and have low ig

For hematocrit yesterday i donate half liter.. my doc say that if hematocrit return that high i will donate every 4 week.

Lipid take years to do real damage.. when i am off cycle with "that shitty diet" my value are all optimal
you know that pasta have high fiber content? I go to batrhom 2 times a day.
I grow up without fruit and veggies and vitamin in blood are always normal.

For the study i wanna take all time i need because i wanna learn thing better than i can.

Sound like you thing i am younger, how many years you give to me?

[davidtheman100]

250g of pasta dry.. what wrong? has same nutrition value of rise and have low ig

For hematocrit yesterday i donate half liter.. my doc say that if hematocrit return that high i will donate every 4 week.

Lipid take years to do real damage.. when i am off cycle with "that shitty diet" my value are all optimal
you know that pasta have high fiber content? I go to batrhom 2 times a day.
I grow up without fruit and veggies and vitamin in blood are always normal.

For the study i wanna take all time i need because i wanna learn thing better than i can.

Sound like you thing i am younger, how many years you give to me?

I say you're 45