Masteron, Stan for MPB prone 30 YO Male

[THAMIZHAN]

Hello Guys,
I'm considering Test, Masteron and Stan for my 3rd cycle. However both (Mast & stan) being DHT derivative makes me wonder if I have chosen the right stuff.

To make matters worse, there is no scope to inhibit the conversion, as these are DHT derivative. So "Finastride and Duta" won't be helpful here. The Only hope I have here is to add in a topical DHT blocker to help prevent hairloss at the root level.

I did my research, found study showing "Azelaic acid and Nizoral 2%" acting as topical DHT blocker but not sure how effective will this be against Masteron and stan? Has anyone came across this situation? if so please share your inputs.

1) Minoxidil with Azelaic acid and Saw palmetto -> has anyone had success with this ?
2) Fin/Duta- (Specially Duta Sides are scary - Not sure whether to include to the list yet) - For TEST
3) Nizoral 2% shampoo

For MPB, Supplements as follows: Do you guys think I'm pushing it with all these stuff into the system, along with the AAS ??

Dutasteride 0.5mg OR Fin 1 MG
Androanagen - Multivit tab
Minoxidil + Azelaic + saw palmetto - topical solution
Nizoral - Shampoo
Zincovit/riconia - Multivit tab
Supradyn - Multivit tab

[tice1212]

Hello Guys,
I'm considering Test, Masteron and Stan for my 3rd cycle. However both (Mast & stan) being DHT derivative makes me wonder if I have chosen the right stuff.

To make matters worse, there is no scope to inhibit the conversion, as these are DHT derivative. So "Finastride and Duta" won't be helpful here. The Only hope I have here is to add in a topical DHT blocker to help prevent hairloss at the root level.

I did my research, found study showing "Azelaic acid and Nizoral 2%" acting as topical DHT blocker but not sure how effective will this be against Masteron and stan? Has anyone came across this situation? if so please share your inputs.

1) Minoxidil with Azelaic acid and Saw palmetto -> has anyone had success with this ?
2) Fin/Duta- (Specially Duta Sides are scary - Not sure whether to include to the list yet) - For TEST
3) Nizoral 2% shampoo

For MPB, Supplements as follows: Do you guys think I'm pushing it with all these stuff into the system, along with the AAS ??

Dutasteride 0.5mg OR Fin 1 MG
Androanagen - Multivit tab
Minoxidil + Azelaic + saw palmetto - topical solution
Nizoral - Shampoo
Zincovit/riconia - Multivit tab
Supradyn - Multivit tab

Let's put it like this bro. Id u have mpb and ur on aas ur going to loss ur hair. I repeat if ur on was u will loss ur hair. Yes some of these will hold the wolves at bay but it is bound to happen to u bro.

[THAMIZHAN]

Let's put it like this bro. Id u have mpb and ur on aas ur going to loss ur hair. I repeat if ur on was u will loss ur hair. Yes some of these will hold the wolves at bay but it is bound to happen to u bro.

Thanks for the honest opinion, So you think its inevitable. but I' hoping someone would prove otherwise .

I know there is no standard answer for this, as the DHT % is not going to be same. Just wanted to know if anyone has encountered this "catch22" situation in their transformation progress ?? any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks.

[mark woods]

If your going to loose your hair AAS will simply put speed up the process,now I personally notice my hair thinning a bit on winny but when I stop it some goes back to normal thickness but that's just me,I did panic at first but I kept going n it's still here so no real answer only do it if your aware of what might happen but don't panic either!

[THAMIZHAN]

If your going to loose your hair AAS will simply put speed up the process,now I personally notice my hair thinning a bit on winny but when I stop it some goes back to normal thickness but that's just me,I did panic at first but I kept going n it's still here so no real answer only do it if your aware of what might happen but don't panic either!

Yeah that's what I'm thinking right now. I might go ahead with DHT derivative AAS, Lets see how I react. but I feel for all those poor souls who are affected by MPB.... why god why. DHT is holding us back from using AAS .

[TheTaxMan]

Just change your hairstyle to being shaved/bald dude then you can use whatever AAS you want

[clarky.]

Just change your hairstyle to being shaved/bald dude then you can use whatever AAS you want

Or get a wig

[TheTaxMan]

Or get a wig

Yea or that lmao

[clarky.]

Yea or that lmao

[Ashop]

Yea or that lmao

If your already genetically predisposed to balding,,,you might as well embrace it.

[THAMIZHAN]

Thanks for the thoughtful insight lol

If your already genetically predisposed to balding,,,you might as well embrace it.

Yep... I'm doing this guys...heck I can even get a hair transplant done few year down the line but not a muscle "transplant" right .. .. ha ha

[Frontpump]

My experience/current protocol:

-nizoral shampoo daily
-rogaine daily
-biotin daily
-arginine, glutamine, BCAA's (arginine helps with hair, believe it or not)
-dutasteride .5mg daily (which is heavy considering 40 day half life)

And in 3 weeks...I've got maybe 10 new hairs.

Those are my results while using the "big boys" of hair growth. Results are individual, but I find it highly unlikely that this protocol would even hold up to creatine, much less a powerful DHT derivative of any dose.

Just my opinion.

P.S.

Test/Deca cycle was noticeable damage, but the SARMS just obliterated my hair in exactly 7 days. If you want hair, avoid SARMS.

[THAMIZHAN]

Test/Deca cycle was noticeable damage, but the SARMS just obliterated my hair in exactly 7 days. If you want hair, avoid SARMS.

Thanks for sharing your protocol, but SARMS are very much in mix during PCT. Not sure how, one will recover without proper PCT. maybe we should try low doses. btw what were SARMS that you used ?

i'm starting this cycle on the 1st, will keep you guys posted. Thanks.

[Frontpump]

Thanks for sharing your protocol, but SARMS are very much in mix during PCT. Not sure how, one will recover without proper PCT. maybe we should try low doses. btw what were SARMS that you used ?

i'm starting this cycle on the 1st, will keep you guys posted. Thanks.

First, maybe I'm reading wrong, but it sounds like you're relying on sarms as part of PCT? If that's the case, you should be doing the exact opposite. SARMs will only interfere with and delay your recovery.

My experience with SARMS were 1 week of
ostarine 20mg daily
cardarine 10mg daily (cardarine not a SARM, but PPAR)

Definitely not heavy doses or prolonged use of either. And the shedding was unreal, so bad that I stopped immediately on day 7.

I hear these things recommended for PCT, but have you actually tried that? I personally wouldn't use it during PCT as I want to fully recover, and these things are more suppressive than the SARMS salespeople would have you think. Yes it's mild compared to tren or deca, but it's still suppression. It only further complicated my already difficult PCT.

Only way to know how it affects you is to try it. But if you're experience is anything like mine, and your concerned about hair loss, SARMs could be fairly frustrating.

Also look out for liver values. SARMs very harsh on liver. Keep bloodwork, use a liver aid.

[THAMIZHAN]

My experience with SARMS were 1 week of
ostarine 20mg daily
cardarine 10mg daily (cardarine not a SARM, but PPAR)

oh okay.. by SARMS, I actually meant Clomid and Novaldex lol. Anyhow thanks for sharing your experience, I learnt one new thing today. I'm not going to take Ostarine or cardarine, So that question is out of the window. Appreciate your response. Thanks again.

[Frontpump]

SERMS. Selective ESTROGEN receptor modulators. Not SARMS, the ANDROGEN modulators. Roger that, cool man.

[THAMIZHAN]

SERMS. Selective ESTROGEN receptor modulators. Not SARMS, the ANDROGEN modulators. Roger that, cool man.

My bad, bro. Overlooked it. Thanks for correcting.

[kloter1]

I just came off 700MGs week of Mast prop, best ****in drug ive ever taken but it was starting to screw with my hair line. Finasteride and other DHT fighting drugs can do real damage to your libido. Ill use Mast again but i gotta take some time off from it.

[Frontpump]

I just came off 700MGs week of Mast prop, best ****in drug ive ever taken but it was starting to screw with my hair line. Finasteride and other DHT fighting drugs can do real damage to your libido. Ill use Mast again but i gotta take some time off from it.

I'd be eager to try masteron as many people have had great things to say about it. Only concern is of course the hair line, and there's no way around it for some of us.

The DHT blockers ruining libido is no joke. It's the strangest feeling in the world, IMO, to not have any sexual interest. I don't like it. Almost not worth it ya know. Like what's the point of having attractive hair, if you don't even have interest in the ladies anymore.

I digress.

[kloter1]

I cant resist the calling of masteron so ill probably use enanthate here pretty soon again. Best thing I can do is use Rogaine foam and topical stuff to try and save the hair.

[THAMIZHAN]

UPDATE: I have started my cycle, dropped Winny from cycle for obvious reason. Included mast prop but only at 200mg/wk, to see if it affects my hairline. Will increase if need be. Will keep posted. Thanks.

[tice1212]

UPDATE: I have started my cycle, dropped Winny from cycle for obvious reason. Included mast prop but only at 200mg/wk, to see if it affects my hairline. Will increase if need be. Will keep posted. Thanks.

What's ur body fat% anyways also why do u want to run mast so bad.. U will not see anything if
1. ur bodyfat% is 11%+
2. And that ur only running 200mg of mast. The minimum for mast to be run IMO is 500mg+.

If ur going to cycle boss just cut ties with the fact of trying to save ur hair. Is gone. I have understand that.. Its just like when someone says "Im only going to cycle once then gain muscle and never do it again" bs once u see results it because an addiction bro.. So if I were u get the best out of this cycle and hit it hard because the longer u wait to see how ur body reacts to compounds like this the longer u will be on cycle and the longer ur on cycle the harder the recovery time will be.