new cycle

[jerjereni]

I did the Beginners cycle(which can be found here) twice over the last 2 years.

Test E for 12 weeks and PCT

Im looking for a different and or advanced cycle. Any opinions?

One user told me to include Dbol
The other one told me to include tren. To have that solid look .

I have been working out for 9 years. I am 25 yo
Bf at 22%
5'11
205 lbs

[Bio-Active]

I would try to get that bf lower before cycling. That said once you are not making gains from a standard test cycle 500 mg ew. Then either bump the test dose or add deca do not make the jump to Tren

[TheTaxMan]

What bio said

No need for tren until like cycle 5ish

Keep using test only until you stop gaining, then add deca

Definatey get your bodyfat down to 15% or less - this will reduce the chance of getting negative side effects greatly

[jerjereni]

I would try to get that bf lower before cycling. That said once you are not making gains from a standard test cycle 500 mg ew. Then either bump the test dose or add deca do not make the jump to Tren

When should i add decA?and how much? Ok copy. Actually the first 2 cycles that i did i started at 18% and then ended up at 10%

[jerjereni]

What bio said

No need for tren until like cycle 5ish

Keep using test only until you stop gaining, then add deca

Definatey get your bodyfat down to 15% or less - this will reduce the chance of getting negative side effects greatly

You mean the side effects that i got before would increase because of my higher bfp. If thats the case ill aim for a lower bfp first. Thanks guys

[TheTaxMan]

When should i add decA?and how much? Ok copy. Actually the first 2 cycles that i did i started at 18% and then ended up at 10%

If your fluctuating from going down to 10% then up to 18% bodyfat after every cycle and now your sitting at 22% i would get your diet looked at, when i get down to 10% i plan on staying there (or very close)

[Bio-Active]

When should i add decA?and how much? Ok copy. Actually the first 2 cycles that i did i started at 18% and then ended up at 10%

if you ended at 10 and are 18 now then your eating isn't right. I can see putting on a little be after a cycle but if your eating correctly you will probably make better gains on cycle and keep more off cycle. When your ready 500 mg of test ew with 400 mg deca each week is plenty with your ancillaries of course

[TheTaxMan]

If you start a cycle at say 10% and end up at 12-14% by the end thats pretty normal

But sitting at 20%+ after a cycle (when started at 10%)
Its got to be diet related (if your diet is good then your training isnt intesified enough, or lack you lack cardio)

- as for the sides, namely estrogen conversion, is more likely to occur in users with higher bodyfat, so try to cycle under 15% (nice and lean)

[Bio-Active]

If you start a cycle at say 10% and end up at 12-14% by the end thats pretty normal But sitting at 20%+ after a cycle (when started at 10%) Its got to be diet related (if your diet is good then your training isnt intesified enough, or lack you lack cardio) - as for the sides, namely estrogen conversion, is more likely to occur in users with higher bodyfat, so try to cycle under 15% (nice and lean)

he started at 18 and ended at 10. Still the nutrition is off or he wouldn't be putting on that much bf.

[TheTaxMan]

Yea he started at 18% and ended at 10% twice
Now 22% though?

after him going from 18% down to 10% then back to 18% then down to 10% then now at 22% is poor diet.

My post above, im trying to say starting at say 10% and ending at 12-14% after PCT is normal to experience on a cycle. (Not referring to him here, just refering in general)

but starting at 18%, going to 10% then after pct bouncing back to 18+ isnt normal.

[Bio-Active]

Yea he started at 18% and ended at 10% twice Now 22% though? after him going from 18% down to 10% then back to 18% then down to 10% then now at 22% is poor diet. My post above, im trying to say starting at say 10% and ending at 12-14% after PCT is normal to experience on a cycle. (Not referring to him here, just refering in general) but starting at 18%, going to 10% then after pct bouncing back to 18+ isnt normal.

agreed nutrition needs work

[jerjereni]

Yea he started at 18% and ended at 10% twice
Now 22% though?

after him going from 18% down to 10% then back to 18% then down to 10% then now at 22% is poor diet.

My post above, im trying to say starting at say 10% and ending at 12-14% after PCT is normal to experience on a cycle. (Not referring to him here, just refering in general)

but starting at 18%, going to 10% then after pct bouncing back to 18+ isnt normal.

I am sorry let me correct myself. The 18-10 transition happened on my last cycle. My first cycle upon checking was not properly recorded but im pretty sure my start BFP was above 18% and my finish was not recorded.

After my second cycle , yes, thank you for the wake up call . This 22% Bfp is because of Poor diet. But i have planned again my diet regimen and will try to maintain what i have earned.

[TheTaxMan]

Yea you want to! it must be awful getting down to 10% then a few months or so later and your over 20%, id be freaking out and feel depressed lol.

when you put in hardwork on cycle, make sure you atleast match that effort if not work harder when off your cycle, its very important form both holding on to the new muscle tissue you have worked hard for, and keeping the fat off.

[jerjereni]

Yea you want to! it must be awful getting down to 10% then a few months or so later and your over 20%, id be freaking out and feel depressed lol.

when you put in hardwork on cycle, make sure you atleast match that effort if not work harder when off your cycle, its very important form both holding on to the new muscle tissue you have worked hard for, and keeping the fat off.

I am freaking out which is why i wanted a stronger cycle this time. I had a problem financially for a couple of months, besides stress i also wasn't able to prep my own food thus resulting in the poor poor diet. I miss the 10%. I think that was August last year. I hope i can get the 15% naturally so that i can start. In the event that i would start what cycle would you recommend?

[TheTaxMan]

If i were you. I would do another cycle of test for 12 weeks, 500-650mg a week

Then you will have two test cycles under your belt, come the third cycle possibly add another compound.

[jerjereni]

If i were you. I would do another cycle of test for 12 weeks, 500-650mg a week

Then you will have two test cycles under your belt, come the third cycle possibly add another compound.

Sir i have two already under my belt. It just so happened that my diet was better on the second one which is why i was consistent in monitoring my Bfp.
In the first cycle my diet was so-so but the load and the pct was the same.

So another compound with Test E or can i change it? Some say its a very low quality steriod, is it? If so what is a very good alternative.

[TheTaxMan]

Some say test is a low quality steroid? Thats BS, testosterone is one of the best.
There are stronger compounds such as Tren, but they always say test is best!

Im not sure if you are aware (i cant workout from your last post)
You need to run Test as a base for any cycle, then add compounds to it.

If your at your third cycle then i would suggest Test and Deca
Test 500mg 14 weeks
Deca 400mg 12 weeks

But you really need to work on your diet and stick to it before thinking of cycling. Make sure you can prove to yourself you can stick to your diet (give it like 6 months) dont just diet for a few weeks and think that will do, you need to change your lifestyle to avoid bouncing from 10-20% bodyfat between cycles.

[73rr]

Jerjereni, why don't u post up your diet up in the diet section so we can help u out before u start a cycle. Also maybe start a weekly log in the workout section so we can see if u can get to a more stable point in your lifting. The. Start up your 3rd cycle ones everything looks good.

[jerjereni]

Some say test is a low quality steroid? Thats BS, testosterone is one of the best.
There are stronger compounds such as Tren, but they always say test is best!

Im not sure if you are aware (i cant workout from your last post)
You need to run Test as a base for any cycle, then add compounds to it.

If your at your third cycle then i would suggest Test and Deca
Test 500mg 14 weeks
Deca 400mg 12 weeks

But you really need to work on your diet and stick to it before thinking of cycling. Make sure you can prove to yourself you can stick to your diet (give it like 6 months) dont just diet for a few weeks and think that will do, you need to change your lifestyle to avoid bouncing from 10-20% bodyfat between cycles.

Testosterone enanthate to be specific bayer brand. And its one of the cheapest which is why i thought its too good to be true. Yup i will give myself 6months of a decent diet before i cycle again.

Offtopic.
If the competitiom is around october nextyt what part of my cycle should I be in during the said month. The last week? A week after? Pct?

[jerjereni]

Jerjereni, why don't u post up your diet up in the diet section so we can help u out before u start a cycle. Also maybe start a weekly log in the workout section so we can see if u can get to a more stable point in your lifting. The. Start up your 3rd cycle ones everything looks good.

Thank you for the suggestion.
Diet and workout section to check if im eating properly and as for the workout do i need to be specific on what i did or just general such as m-legs t-back etc

[73rr]

U can Start a accountability lifting log, start by telling us what u did this week (your full week) so like this
Monday,
Chest day
Flat bench reps# and sets# as heavy as u went
Tuesday
Back day
Rows like a mad man on crack! Reps# and sets# how much u pulled.
U can right it down in a book well lifting and then log it on the fitness section.

Ask ppl to comment on suggested lifts and maybe changes to your weekly program.

every week log it and also tell us how intense each day was to.