If somebody did this to your child what would you do?

[jimmyinkedup]

There is additional video of the incident from a slightly different angle. After refusing to get up and leave the classroom the officer goes to physically make her leave. Appears to grab the back of her shirt and her pants leg. She appears to hit him in the face and chest as well as try to kick him all before the desk flips over. She also appears to kick her other leg downward which could/would help if not even cause the desk to flip. As far as then dragging her to the front of the room vs cuffing her beside the overturned desk, he would have more room up there as well as likely less items she could grab.

The first video looks bad. Second one doesn't look a lot better. However no use of force ever actually looks good. And having done law enforcement for over a decade now I can promise that reality is rarely ever what the person arrested will tell you. To me this whole incident is more an issue with our modern society. A respect for rules is mocked. Children are often encouraged to disobey. And for the most part the media and entertainment industry are helping push it along.

But I do have a question. If you were there, how would you handle the situation of the girl refusing to cooperate?

Being in law enforcement and watching this I would think you would be cringing. He made some serious mistakes and had the situation been different with a different perpetrator things could have ended really badly. Why once he had her in his grasp why did he release her from his grasp, throwing her? This is a big no no and afforded her the opportunity to pull a weapon and use it if she had one. Also I would have cleared the entire room prior to this entire interaction, ensuring all there were going to be safe and removed from any potential danger. How I would have handled it to a T is difficult to say but it would not have been like this. He used unnecessary force. It was a refusal to comply yet there was no immediate danger that warranted the level of force he used. If anything his behavior escalated the situation, it didnt quell it.

[Moonjumper]

Being in law enforcement and watching this I would think you would be cringing. He made some serious mistakes and had the situation been different with a different perpetrator things could have ended really badly. Why once he had her in his grasp why did he release her from his grasp, throwing her? This is a big no no and afforded her the opportunity to pull a weapon and use it if she had one. Also I would have cleared the entire room prior to this entire interaction, ensuring all there were going to be safe and removed from any potential danger. How I would have handled it to a T is difficult to say but it would not have been like this. He used unnecessary force. It was a refusal to comply yet there was no immediate danger that warranted the level of force he used. If anything his behavior escalated the situation, it didnt quell it.

Oh not saying I didn't cringe. I would have taken a different approach myself as well. If you clear the room you will reduce witnesses. Personal opinion the principal should have recorded the entire exchange including any and all instances of her refusing to comply with requests/demands to leave the room and go to the office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa6y...ature=youtu.be

Same video but with slowmo. He grabs her arm to make her stand up. She pulls away. He then tries to control her head (not calling it a headlock because was a pitiful attempt if was his goal or choke because he obviously isn't trying to choke her out.) He grabs her pants leg. She swings at him multiple times as he continues to pull her out. She kicks out and attempts to get loose from him again. While kicking out the desk overturns. He has physical contact with her body during the desk flipping. He is not holding the desk or flipping it. (I think the desk flipping was on both of them, she trying to pull away and him trying to pull her up.) Desk flips and he pulls her out of it and she and he are both directly against the wall. He spins and also spins her. I really don't know if he was intentionally trying to let go or if he just lost his grip.

[jimmyinkedup]

Oh not saying I didn't cringe. I would have taken a different approach myself as well. If you clear the room you will reduce witnesses. Personal opinion the principal should have recorded the entire exchange including any and all instances of her refusing to comply with requests/demands to leave the room and go to the office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa6y...ature=youtu.be

Same video but with slowmo. He grabs her arm to make her stand up. She pulls away. He then tries to control her head (not calling it a headlock because was a pitiful attempt if was his goal or choke because he obviously isn't trying to choke her out.) He grabs her pants leg. She swings at him multiple times as he continues to pull her out. She kicks out and attempts to get loose from him again. While kicking out the desk overturns. He has physical contact with her body during the desk flipping. He is not holding the desk or flipping it. (I think the desk flipping was on both of them, she trying to pull away and him trying to pull her up.) Desk flips and he pulls her out of it and she and he are both directly against the wall. He spins and also spins her. I really don't know if he was intentionally trying to let go or if he just lost his grip.

To be honest I am not sure if she was swinging at him or simply flailing her arm due to being off balance and being tipped over. Its tough to tell. ITs funny the difference in perception. Much of what you see as proactive or aggressive behavior on her part (ie swinging at him and kicking to get free) I see as reactive behavior from being totally off balance from being flipped over. Just pointing out how 2 people can see 2 very different things taking place when observing the very same situation.
Either way the guy is fired and the police chief didnt feel he handled the situation properly and according to protocol.

[Moonjumper]

To be honest I am not sure if she was swinging at him or simply flailing her arm due to being off balance and being tipped over. Its tough to tell. ITs funny the difference in perception. Much of what you see as proactive or aggressive behavior on her part (ie swinging at him and kicking to get free) I see as reactive behavior from being totally off balance from being flipped over. Just pointing out how 2 people can see 2 very different things taking place when observing the very same situation.Either way the guy is fired and the police chief didnt feel he handled the situation properly and according to protocol.

Run into the part in bold daily. Would you agree she pulled away from him when he first had her arm?

Sheriff is a politician. Most if they think will take the heat off of themselves view their deputies as a sacrificial lamb. And many will take it to the point that if a deputy arrests or writes a ticket to the wrong person they will be looking for a job. The principal as well as some of the students in the class have said the deputy was in the right and she was trying to instigate the situation. Either way the whole ordeal is a soup sandwich. Regardless of right or wrong he is out of a job and likely to never get another one anywhere close to there or in the same field. And right or wrong she is likely to get a check for showing her ass because they will figure is cheaper to give her money to shut up than to fight it in court.


Added a link to another opinion on it. http://www.caintv.com/ready-for-the-rest-of-the-stor