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  1. #1
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTaxMan
    Any reason why you want to taper the test up from 300mg to 500mg? Id stick to 500mg all the way through this cycle. Id also run the deca for 12 weeks and the test for 14 weeks, get as much out of that nandrolone as you can Id run your hcg through the cycle, dont use it for pct. Also wheres your AI?
    Im not gyno sensitive at all
    I wentball the way to 800 mg of test a week and no gyno
    I believe hcg to kickstart pct better, just my personal opinion,i believe long cycles are a waste of gear, ither you up the dose or change compound, i was thinking on starting test at 300 mg, to 450, to 600 to keep seing results

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althenery View Post
    Im not gyno sensitive at all
    I wentball the way to 800 mg of test a week and no gyno
    I believe hcg to kickstart pct better, just my personal opinion,i believe long cycles are a waste of gear, ither you up the dose or change compound, i was thinking on starting test at 300 mg, to 450, to 600 to keep seing results
    Gyno is the least of your problems... You need to run an AI from start to finish... It controls the aromatase... Controls E2, as high E2 is very unhealthy(high BP acne loss of libido to name a few) so I'd strongly urge you to run an AI - and where is your DA... How would you have kept your prolactin from raising without an AI??? HCG should be run on cycle to maintain leydig cell function as well as aid in a quicker recovery

    And if long esters are a waste - you do know your using all long esters correct? If it were short esters you'd be running prop and NPP - imho I react well to both but shorter esters yield great results for me... GL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3
    Gyno is the least of your problems... You need to run an AI from start to finish... It controls the aromatase... Controls E2, as high E2 is very unhealthy(high BP acne loss of libido to name a few) so I'd strongly urge you to run an AI - and where is your DA... How would you have kept your prolactin from raising without an AI??? HCG should be run on cycle to maintain leydig cell function as well as aid in a quicker recovery And if long esters are a waste - you do know your using all long esters correct? If it were short esters you'd be running prop and NPP - imho I react well to both but shorter esters yield great results for me... GL!
    I dont like the hcg on cycle idea, just my personal preference. Im thinking about ading adex but i dont know yet : / im taking liver and organ defender by rich piana, it has a lot of good stuf in it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althenery View Post
    I dont like the hcg on cycle idea, just my personal preference. Im thinking about ading adex but i dont know yet : / im taking liver and organ defender by rich piana, it has a lot of good stuf in it
    With drol and deca/test You shock db e running an AI and have a DA(dopamine agonist) on hand if taking it if you can't control your E2 and without an AI it's impossible as test aromatizes into estrogen! Do your pct w/HCG if you want but maintaining leydig cell function on cycle is much more important imho!

    You need to get that idea of not gyno prone outta your head - b/c it's everything else that BW paints a clear pic on(w/no AI your E2 will become elevated along with prolactin(prolactin follows high E2) - I'd really reconsider your AI approach!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    With drol and deca/test You shock db e running an AI and have a DA(dopamine agonist) on hand if taking it if you can't control your E2 and without an AI it's impossible as test aromatizes into estrogen! Do your pct w/HCG if you want but maintaining leydig cell function on cycle is much more important imho!

    You need to get that idea of not gyno prone outta your head - b/c it's everything else that BW paints a clear pic on(w/no AI your E2 will become elevated along with prolactin(prolactin follows high E2) - I'd really reconsider your AI approach!!
    X2!
    You need to control E2 especially with Deca, if you enjoy sex anyway. Regardless Nach is 100% correct gyno is the least of your concerns as high E2 causes all kinds of serious health issues. High Estrogen and High Prolactin is never a good combo. You can control both by keeping estrogen in check. Read the sticky article on Estrogen, Prolactin, etc. by Augustine. Describes all of this in awesome detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3
    With drol and deca/test You shock db e running an AI and have a DA(dopamine agonist) on hand if taking it if you can't control your E2 and without an AI it's impossible as test aromatizes into estrogen! Do your pct w/HCG if you want but maintaining leydig cell function on cycle is much more important imho! You need to get that idea of not gyno prone outta your head - b/c it's everything else that BW paints a clear pic on(w/no AI your E2 will become elevated along with prolactin(prolactin follows high E2) - I'd really reconsider your AI approach!!
    I have nolvadex on hand or should i get armidex? What dose do you recomend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althenery
    I have nolvadex on hand or should i get armidex? What dose do you recomend?
    Get arimidex.
    Nolva is NOT an AI.
    Arimidex is an AI.

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