My Very First Cycle! How does it look?

[saucerking]

Care to share this research? Link? because its either total bullshit or it's talking about the average 40% bodyfat American who doesn't lift anything but a bag of potato chips and a can of beer. Are you just trying to just survive or are you trying to build muscle? Listen to the advice given or don't bother asking in the first place. Everything said here by others is correct. if i were you i'd do some research on your own of the protein requirements of bodybuilders and other athletes who's goal is size and strength. You will find that 80% thing you said is complete rubbish.

My protein intake at 230 lbs is on avg 400-450g per day. I'd like it to be 500.

1 gram per pound of bodyweight is for sedentary normal people. 1.2-1.5g per lb is for more serious weight trainers who's goal is size and strength. 2g per lb or higher is for elite bodybuilders and powerlifters and or those on steroids but that's kind of synonymous. Too much protein can cause kidney problems but it takes a lot more than anything were talking about here to do any damage. 80% I assume means 195*0.85 = grams of protein per day. That's not enough for you.

BTW your cycle prep is great. I see very few first timers who have it laid out in such detail and correctly.

Thank you for seeing my cycle prep is written out well.

As for the protein, I don't have a direct link. However there are multiple sources online you can find if you search.

For the average American that doesn't lift, 50-80g of protein a day is enough for them.

For people who lift weights (Naturals), 80% of your bodyweight in protein is definitely more than enough protein for building muscle. Contrary to belief, your body doesn't need that much protein. I have made amazing gains from only eating .08 per pound of protein. Anymore than that, and you're just gonna fart and shit out the rest honestly.

I could understand why you would need more when taking AAS. However, I think 1g-1.2g per lb would be sufficient so I would be willing to eat about 220g-240g max. Once I gain weight I would increase it as well. 2g per pound however is just overdoing it.

450g-500g of protein is absolutely unnecessary in my opinion. Your body will definitely not use up even close to that amount even on AAS. You are probably doing more harm than good to be honest as you said yourself too much protein can harm the kidneys and other things.

This isn't to bash on you or anything but I am just telling you my opinion as I know quite a bit about lifting and building muscle naturally. I have done years of research and have been lifting for years with excellent results following what I learned online. However I don't know as much when it comes to AAS so that's why I am here.

[Java Man]

Thank you for seeing my cycle prep is written out well.

As for the protein, I don't have a direct link. However there are multiple sources online you can find if you search.

For the average American that doesn't lift, 50-80g of protein a day is enough for them.

For people who lift weights (Naturals), 80% of your bodyweight in protein is definitely more than enough protein for building muscle. Contrary to belief, your body doesn't need that much protein. I have made amazing gains from only eating .08 per pound of protein. Anymore than that, and you're just gonna fart and shit out the rest honestly.

I could understand why you would need more when taking AAS. However, I think 1g-1.2g per lb would be sufficient so I would be willing to eat about 220g-240g max. Once I gain weight I would increase it as well. 2g per pound however is just overdoing it.

450g-500g of protein is absolutely unnecessary in my opinion. Your body will definitely not use up even close to that amount even on AAS. You are probably doing more harm than good to be honest as you said yourself too much protein can harm the kidneys and other things.

This isn't to bash on you or anything but I am just telling you my opinion as I know quite a bit about lifting and building muscle naturally. I have done years of research and have been lifting for years with excellent results following what I learned online. However I don't know as much when it comes to AAS so that's why I am here.

Fair enough.


I already have read all the research I care to read on protein requirements for all types of people. Those people aren't weight lifters and they aren't on steroids.

50-80g may be fine for simple survival of a normal sedentary person. We aren't normal nor sedentary. We aren't trying to just maintain what we went to bed with last night. We are trying to grow like we are going through puberty again. We need a lot more than "USRDA" figures which are meant to show what the average person needs in order to survive. And if you add AAS into it you have changed the ballgame completely.

If you're doing an AAS cycle to bulk I recommend you up the protein to at least 1.5g/lb. You utilize your nutrients much more efficiently when you're on AAS and/or HGH. This is from 26 years of experience in practice and I have been reading all of those 26 years. I don't care what the lab coats say. Most of them are not bodybuilders. We all know that theory and practice are often quite different. I was stuck at 200-205 for years until I started training less often but with much higher intensity and eating twice as much food. Then I started to grow rapidly again. Training less and eating the food of 2 or 3 normal men in order to gain lean tissue and lose fat flies in the face of all clinical research I have read on the subject. yet it is doing exactly that in me.

I'm not arguing. Just making a point that researchers have their place but they don't have all the answers. It's one slice in the giant pie that is what we do. Best of luck to you in your goals