My "comprehensive" Pre-TRT Lab Results - Plz Advise

[jasondd1]

Hey kel are you judging his thyroid mostly on his tsh levels? I'm assuming because the other numbers seem ok, Thyroid has always confused the shit out of me.

[kelkel]

Hey kel are you judging his thyroid mostly on his tsh levels? I'm assuming because the other numbers seem ok, Thyroid has always confused the shit out of me.

Negative. TSH is an indicator but that's all. If I went by TSH alone for my own numbers I'd be screwed!

[FlyStar]

Negative. TSH is an indicator but that's all. If I went by TSH alone for my own numbers I'd be screwed!

Agree with BB. Address the thyroid first, see what happens and then move forward. Both hypothyroidism and sub-clinical hypo can reduce your test levels (via your cholesterol pathways, specifically progesterone) as well as elevate your prolactin, which can also suppress T levels via LH suppression. So it gets you both ways.

Naturally your past AAS usage could have caused this as well. Sometimes guys just don't return to their prior sufficient levels, even with pct. In this case it appears you were doing a version of Scally's Power PCT. You mention being very dedicated yet still not making good gains. Maybe there's been an underlying problem all along? So many things can cause low T from what we've already mentioned to head or testicular trauma, pathologies, varicoceles and so on. But these are usually indicated, at least to some extent via BW.

Yes, your T levels stink right now but like BB said, the only thing jumping out is your thyroid at the moment. Unless you have older blood work to compare current BW to it's hard to guess.

Welcome to the forum Flystar. One of the most comprehensive first posts I've seen. Well done.

Negative. TSH is an indicator but that's all. If I went by TSH alone for my own numbers I'd be screwed!

Thank you for your input and the welcome Kelkel. And yeah I know...i've been sleeping on the reply.
I missed my appointment to get rT3, iron and b12 done and now the doctor is on vacation. Meanwhile im learning.
You said youre not judging my thyroid situation based mostly on my TSH. Could i ask what youre going by then? Appreciate any input!

[Mr.BB]

Thank you for your input and the welcome Kelkel. And yeah I know...i've been sleeping on the reply.
I missed my appointment to get rT3, iron and b12 done and now the doctor is on vacation. Meanwhile im learning.
You said youre not judging my thyroid situation based mostly on my TSH. Could i ask what youre going by then? Appreciate any input!

Have you fixed your anemia?

Maybe I wasnt clear in my 1st post, let me try again:

Forget about testosterone and thyroid and go to the doctor to treat your anemia, it is a serious problem.

[FlyStar]

Negative. TSH is an indicator but that's all. If I went by TSH alone for my own numbers I'd be screwed!

Have you fixed your anemia?

Maybe I wasnt clear in my 1st post, let me try again:

Forget about testosterone and thyroid and go to the doctor to treat your anemia, it is a serious problem.

Hey Mr. BB. Doc says a slightly lower than the ref range Hemoglobin is nothing to be concerned about especially when there are no symptoms. It could be normal for me.

[Mr.BB]

Hey Mr. BB. Doc says a slightly lower than the ref range Hemoglobin is nothing to be concerned about especially when there are no symptoms. It could be normal for me.

I disagre. In chronic anemia, overtime you learn to adapt to low hemoglobin and symptoms "appear" to be normal, but nevertheless puts extra stress on heart and organs.

It is a symptom that something is wrong with you, your thyroid might be the culprit for it, or something else, I fail to understand how your doc is not concerned about it by at least prescribing iron, folate and B12.

How can you expect to have will to workout when you are having problems supplying oxygen to your muscles and organs? What happens when you go up a flight of stairs? This lack of oxygen can be responsible for half the problems you mentioned above.

[FlyStar]

I disagre. In chronic anemia, overtime you learn to adapt to low hemoglobin and symptoms "appear" to be normal, but nevertheless puts extra stress on heart and organs.

It is a symptom that something is wrong with you, your thyroid might be the culprit for it, or something else, I fail to understand how your doc is not concerned about it by at least prescribing iron, folate and B12.

How can you expect to have will to workout when you are having problems supplying oxygen to your muscles and organs? What happens when you go up a flight of stairs? This lack of oxygen can be responsible for half the problems you mentioned above.

Yeah. Makes sense. I will go back to him and ask to further look into it. Considering how disconcerned he was, i'm guessing he will just prescribe vitamins, like you mentioned. But what does that mean? What if i took the vitamins and everything got back to normal and when i get off them, things go back to the way they are now?

He might ask me to go back to him after some time on the vitamins and do a blood test to see if things improved, but i dobt he will ask to get off them and come back for another blood test to see how my body is doing on its own.

Actually, I have no problems at all with willpower. I'm the most motivated gym rat no matter which gym i go to. Run (or used to) an hour a day, 6 days a week, work out for an hour, 4 days a week and play basketball whenever i find time. Been religiously doing that for 15 years.

Granted, i've been inactive lately but thats not due to lack of will power. Got plenty of will power to start doin those things right now. It's due to demotivation, and common sense really, cz no matter how much work i put in, it doesnt show in the mirror. Hence why i suspected low test and me being here.

Anyway, the anemia thing. Is vitamins viable "treatment". Is it temperament? Like i said, if things go back to normal with vitamins, will there be no requirement to dig further in for the underlying cause, or is lack of vitamins considered to be the underlying cause?

Thanks for your input buddy!