First Cycle: 12 Weeks Test E 500mg

[Kyle1337]

Natural test levels are irrelevant when you are on cycle. Doesn't matter if your natural test levels are 1000 or 0, they will be shut down completely while on cycle and it's only external testosterone in your system

Right, the point i was making before is even at a "TRT" dose I am making great gains, probably because my T was LOW to begin with. If I had higher T, I'm sure I'd be making better gains than on low T. Regardless of synthetic.

I don't necessarily believe it's underdosed, I experienced great gains with the test, at is projected for everyone on their first cycle. Another very experienced and knowledgeable member believed that it's still good, that just my body metabolizes differently, I don't know. I'm no expert, so I will believe him.

If I were you, I would stop the cycle and try to get my money back (because it sounds like it's someone you know in person). You have proof in your blood work to show whoever your source is. He is probably using that weird brand Soma (not pharma grade either) because it's either cheap or he cut it with something to screw you over.

Like I said, I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but I would deff want to know and deal with this problem if I was in your position. I would for sure just not ignore it....you dont know what the other 1/2 of what you were injecting was...and you shut yourself down and hurt your natural levels for a TRT dose basicly.

That guy owes you money, and deserves a beat down imo.

I don't think he screwed me, and it's not like I can just find another source, this stuff isn't easy to come by, or I would. He can source different brands of test, so I am hoping to go with that. My natural levels weren't that great to begin with. It is what it is, it's part of the game. This stuff is 5 billion% ILLEGAL.

thanks for your concerns though, I do appreciate someone paying attention or looking out for others. I am going to source the balkan test from him next time and if my test levels are higher than I think I will say something then. Can't be too aggressive though as I don't wanna ruin my source.

[Dj Screw]

Right, the point i was making before is even at a "TRT" dose I am making great gains, probably because my T was LOW to begin with. If I had higher T, I'm sure I'd be making better gains than on low T. Regardless of synthetic.

I don't necessarily believe it's underdosed, I experienced great gains with the test, at is projected for everyone on their first cycle. Another very experienced and knowledgeable member believed that it's still good, that just my body metabolizes differently, I don't know. I'm no expert, so I will believe him.



I don't think he screwed me, and it's not like I can just find another source, this stuff isn't easy to come by, or I would. He can source different brands of test, so I am hoping to go with that. My natural levels weren't that great to begin with. It is what it is, it's part of the game. This stuff is 5 billion% ILLEGAL.

thanks for your concerns though, I do appreciate someone paying attention or looking out for others. I am going to source the balkan test from him next time and if my test levels are higher than I think I will say something then. Can't be too aggressive though as I don't wanna ruin my source.

It's underdosed without a doubt. Sorry bud

He did screw you, whether it was on purpose or not (it was most likely) who knows.

Yeah it's illegal, so why risk buying something that's bunk anyways? If your natural T is already really low, go see a Doctor instead of injecting underdosed mystery oil? I just don't understand your logic....I would rather not even do it than use a source that gives me bunk underdosed gear that I dont even know what else its been cut with and inject it.

Maybe I am wasting my time and you just like the idea that you think you are "cycling" but you are really just a little above a TRT dose. Waste of time in my opinion. Without saying too much...it is very easy to find sources that are reliable and somewhat affordable considering.

The reason I am so concerned with this is because I thought you got ripped by a online UGL...and it's kind of part of the game and somewhat expected. But when I found out it's someone you know in person that's doing it, you have bloodwork showing its bunk and underdosed, and you are cool with it and want to go back and do it all again is just mind boggling to me. Not trying to be a jerk, I am just confused with your way of thinking/denial

[Kyle1337]

I read sh!tload about people bloods, and if one gets substantially under 3000 in their bloods from 500mg a week, its considered underdosed gear. Usually should be ~3500 from ok UGL sources, however, heard people have ~4000-4500 and more from 500mg a week where source is pharma grade or some VIP UGL ... its all subjective of course... but hey as long as it worked for you, and at least now you know more

Thanks for the heads up. That's unfortunate to hear...

It's underdosed without a doubt. Sorry bud

He did screw you, whether it was on purpose or not (it was most likely) who knows.

Yeah it's illegal, so why risk buying something that's bunk anyways? If your natural T is already really low, go see a Doctor instead of injecting underdosed mystery oil? I just don't understand your logic....I would rather not even do it than use a source that gives me bunk underdosed gear that I dont even know what else its been cut with and inject it.

Maybe I am wasting my time and you just like the idea that you think you are "cycling" but you are really just a little above a TRT dose. Waste of time in my opinion. Without saying too much...it is very easy to find sources that are reliable and somewhat affordable considering.

The reason I am so concerned with this is because I thought you got ripped by a online UGL...and it's kind of part of the game and somewhat expected. But when I found out it's someone you know in person that's doing it, you have bloodwork showing its bunk and underdosed, and you are cool with it and want to go back and do it all again is just mind boggling to me. Not trying to be a jerk, I am just confused with your way of thinking/denial

I really wish it was good, believe me. I wish I could go to a Dr too, however my T is JUST ABOVE the minimum so no luck there (sigh). If I don't recover after this, then I am sure I will go to the Dr and get real stuff. I also wish it was easy to find a source that's legit online too. I've been studying for months and I just cannot find anything without it looking suspicious.

I do appreciate your concerns man, honestly. The more people that chime in too about the test is also starting to get at me. It's pretty disheartening. How do I even try to get the guy to get my money back? All I can do is show him my bloodwork and he'll be like "ya I told you test is stupid and you need to do x y z a b " like he sold my friend, 5 drugs in one because he wants to look like rich piana and then I come along no man I just want test. My buddy got the same test as me, he gained 40# (obviously had a bunch of other shit to help too).


Also, this may sound extremely stupid, but the first 8 weeks I was using 1.5" pin and only going into the glute about half or less. I never pulled out oil on my release, however I had knots and swelling in my ass and tons of PIP. After 8 weeks I read something online and started going all the way in, most of my pip disappeared and I didn't have much or any swelling. Maybe I wasn't injecting enough into the muscle and it was leaking into the fat? IDK, I figured I should at least point this out. I feel stupid about it though and it probably has nothing to do with it.

[InternalFire]

live and learn, dont waste your time too much, go face the supplier see what he has to say and if he acts like you outlined here^ wave him goodbye and wait for your T levels to crash, go to your doc and get the right thing if you want to do so.

And so what if it happens "so and so" as you suspect, LET IT HAPPEN, but dont assume "it would of happened if I confronted the guy so I didn't not to waste my time", no - let it happen, go confront the guy and ask him genuine polite questions WTF so you know exactly what to do next, if he plays fair-ok maybe he gives you another set of underdosed gear because that's the best he can do, fair - take it of him and immediately sell it back to him for the price you paid and make him pay, so best if he refunds because you invest in his underdosed gear, got "considerably average" results (he doesnt need to know you're happy with it if you will, some other bigger guy using this stuff would express his satisfaction in a different way than you do I guess).

Me being in my situation, my test is also borderline shit-low but in range and they wont treat me, and I am past my endeavours, I'm gonna do it my own ways but Im gonna do it right and well, so I know, even when I start taking my natural test to supra-physiological levels I will see crazy gains even from TRT dose because it will be like day and night for me low-test rider, but I also know when I get to ~200lb and up TRT dose becomes my baseline and I wont feel anything unless I double or triple my weekly dose, and so it goes with the adaptation...

Just put it this way, if you were a 260lb 15% bf cruising on pharma grade test at TRT dose, and you run his gear for a cycle, and you get ZERO gains, what would you do then? Do you now see you got ripped off regardless of your situation?

Know what you want and dont stop till you get what you want

THIS ALL IS JUST AN ADVICE ^^^

NO PUN INTENDED