Vitamin d3 bloods

[mike198]

Been doing 1000 IU's D3/day for about 4 months

TT: 636
FT: 13.5
E2 sensitive: 21
Hemoglobin: 18.2
Hematocrit: 52.8
RBC: above range can't remember
BP has been up too
Liver values above range as well

This sucks because it definitely raised my natural test levels and was even getting some gains, but it jacked up stuff you don't want to see jacked up. I recently read that d3 can cause cardiovascular abnormalities and is harmful to storage organs such as the liver. Remember it is fat soluble. Any idea how this can be rectified? Funny thing is d3 is not even a vitamin, it's a sex hormone

[InternalFire]

Ive been doing D3 10000IU a day for past 6 months, with no change in my hormones, lucky you are to respond so well!

[Mr.BB]

Hemoglobin and hematocrit is high cause of steroid use, liver transaminases are high cause of training.

Nothing to do with vit d.

[almostgone]

I would mainly be focused on the hemoglobin level and the hematocrit level (to a slightly lesser degree). Donate blood if eligible, preferably a double red, and then ask your Dr. to pull a CBC and check your Vitamin D level.
My hemoglobin and hematocrit generally run high even pre-TRT. Also, just to throw the information out there, I was potassium depleted at my last labs (the lab work referred to it as being at a "panic" level) and I have to now take KlorCon M20 tabs twice daily. I'm on a supposed "potassium sparing" diuretic as part of some treatment from past cardiac issues( non- AAS related).
Anway, if your potassium to sodium ratio is off, it can affect your blood pressure.

Edit: As Mr. BB pointed out heavy lifting can elevate liver enzymes and a couple of others. My last ALT,AST, and BUN came back slightly elevated (creatinine was in range) but my Dr. knows I am a frequent lifter and wasn't overly concerned with it. Also, I ran my labs past a couple of guys that have a lot of experience with the same issues and they said the same as well.
You can run a quick Google on "elevated liver enzymes and heavy exercise" and there are several studies that show liver enzymes can stay elevated up to a week post-exercise.

[Simon1972]

1000iu won't do much, I take 5000iu daily, positive results.

[mike198]

Hemoglobin and hematocrit is high cause of steroid use, liver transaminases are high cause of training. Nothing to do with vit d.

All of my blood counts were within range before taking d3

[mike198]

I've done one cycle of test my entire life at 260 mg/week last summer

35 years old

[Mr.BB]

All of my blood counts were within range before taking d3

1000ui of vit d is a very small dose, I take 8000ui per day, and its not related to polycythemia (high rbc count).

Do you live in altitude and/or smoke?

You might be genetically predisposed for polycythemia, maybe a change your sport for endurance racing, your blood might be perfect for it.

Dont advise you to take steroids with this condition, although hematocrit up to 52% should be fine.

[mike198]

1000ui of vit d is a very small dose, I take 8000ui per day, and its not related to polycythemia (high rbc count). Do you live in altitude and/or smoke? You might be genetically predisposed for polycythemia, maybe a change your sport for endurance racing, your blood might be perfect for it. Dont advise you to take steroids with this condition, although hematocrit up to 52% should be fine.

I live in the Midwest and don't smoke.

I was actually a very decorated distance runner in the NCAA back in the day, so it's funny you mention that. I got bit by the iron bug though after that chapter and never looked back

I've been talking to people in other forums (not bodybuilding) and many claim they had to discontinue d3 due to heart palpitations, high BP, anxiety, etc

I did a cycle a year ago and everything was fine. Just my hemo, crit, and RBC went above range. But they came down after the cycle

[Mr.BB]

Hemoglobin came down to what values?

[mike198]

Hemoglobin came down to what values?

I don't remember. Within range

[elastica]

I recently read that d3 can cause cardiovascular abnormalities and is harmful to storage organs such as the liver. Remember it is fat soluble. Any idea how this can be rectified? Funny thing is d3 is not even a vitamin, it's a sex hormone

Vitamin D3 has a number of cofactors that should accompany it. Vitamin K2, directs calcium to be deposited into bones instead of soft tissues and blood vessels (D3 linked to cardiovascular issues is more an issue of inadequate K2 rather than high D3).

Also included should be chelated magnesium (best to spread doses out over the day) and fish oil.

Vitmain A (fat soluble form) provides balance to vitamin D, if you are worried about toxicity. Cod liver oil can be a great whole food source of vitamin D, since it contains a ratio of both D3/A.

5000 iu's is considered to be a maintenance dose for most people. Re the side effects of heart palps, anxiety, etc., some do much better with a dry form of D3 instead of oil based. Supplementing with D2 instead of D3 can also cause these types of side effects.

[InternalFire]

Vitamin D3 has a number of cofactors that should accompany it. Vitamin K2, directs calcium to be deposited into bones instead of soft tissues and blood vessels (D3 linked to cardiovascular issues is more an issue of inadequate K2 rather than high D3).

Also included should be chelated magnesium (best to spread doses out over the day) and fish oil.

Vitmain A (fat soluble form) provides balance to vitamin D, if you are worried about toxicity. Cod liver oil can be a great whole food source of vitamin D, since it contains a ratio of both D3/A.

5000 iu's is considered to be a maintenance dose for most people. Re the side effects of heart palps, anxiety, etc., some do much better with a dry form of D3 instead of oil based. Supplementing with D2 instead of D3 can also cause these types of side effects.

Loving this!

[mike198]

Vitamin D3 has a number of cofactors that should accompany it. Vitamin K2, directs calcium to be deposited into bones instead of soft tissues and blood vessels (D3 linked to cardiovascular issues is more an issue of inadequate K2 rather than high D3). Also included should be chelated magnesium (best to spread doses out over the day) and fish oil. Vitmain A (fat soluble form) provides balance to vitamin D, if you are worried about toxicity. Cod liver oil can be a great whole food source of vitamin D, since it contains a ratio of both D3/A. 5000 iu's is considered to be a maintenance dose for most people. Re the side effects of heart palps, anxiety, etc., some do much better with a dry form of D3 instead of oil based. Supplementing with D2 instead of D3 can also cause these types of side effects.

Trust me man, I researched the hell out of this. I took K, A, magnesium. I was taking d3, not d2. No matter what I did I felt pretty shitty and could feel that cardiovascular side effects were occurring. I would get winded and a rapid heart beat when doing deadlifts and squats with weights that I could typically smoke.

I honestly felt like my electrolytes were out of whack

I've heard about cod liver oil. Perhaps I could give that a shot

I'd love to be able to use it again since it took my TT up to 636. Which is pretty good for 35 years old.

Fun fact: cholecalciferol (aka D3) is actually the main ingredient in rat poison

[InternalFire]

I use seven seas cod liver oil, amazing epa dha content per 10ml. Search amazon or local shops you should find it. Havent seen a better product per buck. Also are you using any flax oil or coconut oil?

[mike198]

I use seven seas cod liver oil, amazing epa dha content per 10ml. Search amazon or local shops you should find it. Havent seen a better product per buck. Also are you using any flax oil or coconut oil?

I'll look into it. Thanks

I consume 1.5 Tablespoons/day of organic coconut oil. Why do you ask?

[mike198]

Been awhile, guys

Still on the same regimen with added ipamorelin, which leans you out but be careful with ipam.i get hypo as fcuk during workouts. Never had to do intra carbs until now

I dropped by mainly to update on vitamin d3. I've been on 1000 IU's for 8 months now and I had 25 hydroxy levels tested.

50.6 (30-100)

That's pretty good isn't it?

I also tan once or twice a week, so that's helping.

[Mr.BB]

Been awhile, guys

Still on the same regimen with added ipamorelin, which leans you out but be careful with ipam.i get hypo as fcuk during workouts. Never had to do intra carbs until now

I dropped by mainly to update on vitamin d3. I've been on 1000 IU's for 8 months now and I had 25 hydroxy levels tested.

50.6 (30-100)

That's pretty good isn't it?

I also tan once or twice a week, so that's helping.

[IncreaseMyT]

Those D levels are pretty good. Above 60 is optimal, but 50 not bad at all sir.

Good job.

Sounds like your having good results?

[mike198]

Those D levels are pretty good. Above 60 is optimal, but 50 not bad at all sir. Good job. Sounds like your having good results?

Thanks! Yeah that dose also took my TT from 489 to 636. FT from 7 to 13.5 I decided to forego a cycle this summer since those are pretty good numbers for a 35 year old.

[mike198]

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1uoc8ZN0m4

Haha well I'm not going to multiple labs to verify this. Especially since I had it done out of pocket w Labcorp

I've done higher doses of D3 before and I get cardiovascular sides

[mike198]

So the cardiovascular sides I was getting I think came from some of the peptides I was taking.

I was taking sermorelin and ipamorelin, and I would get a crazy fast heart beat and anxiety if I went on a long run. I reduced the dosage and sides reduced. I've been off both peptides now for 2 days and I can finally complete 20+ minutes in the treadmill without my heart rate going through the roof and triggering bad anxiety.

I've taken my D3 dose up to 3000. Magnesium is at 600.

So it turns out the peptides were giving me those sides, not the D

[wellshii]

I stick to 5k weekly. Back when I was 20 I had low D, my test was barely in the 470 range.

[mike198]

I stick to 5k weekly. Back when I was 20 I had low D, my test was barely in the 470 range.

5000/week? Better than nothing, but you can definitely up that. I was doing 1000 IU's/day and my D level was at 50.6. Haven't had BW done with the 3000/day dose yet, but I would guess it's at ~70

If you up your D, up your magnesium otherwise sides may occur. Also K

[mike198]

Any suppression involved with taking ipamorelin? I did my research before I started, and everything said no suppression. I've been off for days now and sleep has gotten progressively worse. Hopefully it's just coincidence

I did sermorelin/ipamorelin for about 6 months, and continues the ipamorelin solo for 3 more at 200 mcg twice a day. I took it down to 60 mcg twice a for a few weeks and then came off as I came to the realization that it was triggering tachycardia and anxiety when I would train and get stressed

[Magglio24]

Reading this & oh boy it sounds like I definitely need to get back on the vitamin D supplement regimen again ...I live in the upper Midwest & had my D level tested 2 years ago only to learn it was just 19 LOL. My Dr wanted me to get it up to 30+ ASAP so he Rx'd me 50,000 IU weekly. After 4 months it only rose to 29. Never could get my level to budge! Crazy.

[hammerheart]

Remember to take your Vitamin D with a fatty meal.

[kelkel]

Remember to take your Vitamin D with a fatty

This fatty oughta work...

[LeeSin1]

vitamin D is very important, but I always feel better when just sitting in the sun. It seems to work better ha.

[Marsoc]

Im taking 2500mg full spectrum Alaskan sockeye salmon oil . And has 200iu D3 which it says is 50% daily dose..then I'm taking a multi vitamin which has 1600 iu D3..so I'm at 450% of recommended daily dose. Is that's bad ?

[mike198]

Im taking 2500mg full spectrum Alaskan sockeye salmon oil . And has 200iu D3 which it says is 50% daily dose..then I'm taking a multi vitamin which has 1600 iu D3..so I'm at 450% of recommended daily dose. Is that's bad ?

If you feel fine on that much then don't worry. Some people are more sensitive to D than others

[Moonjumper]

If you feel fine on that much then don't worry. Some people are more sensitive to D than others

Or you could be like me and take a mega dose and still just barely get into the range. 20,000 iU a day and I still only hit 88 with range being 40-120. And yes, I take mine with a fat of some sort.

[mike198]

Or you could be like me and take a mega dose and still just barely get into the range. 20,000 iU a day and I still only hit 88 with range being 40-120. And yes, I take mine with a fat of some sort.

88 is solid. 20,000/day is a crazy amount though. How's your kidney function on that amount? And your liver? D3 is fat soluble, so it can be harmful to the liver in excess.Most say to stay within 60-80. I take 1000/day and that keeps me around 50. I also tan once a week.

I know a guy that consumes lots of D3 in supplements and in enriched dairy and he can't get his levels higher than 25, so I guess there's a minority out there like you and him

[Moonjumper]

88 is solid. 20,000/day is a crazy amount though. How's your kidney function on that amount? And your liver? D3 is fat soluble, so it can be harmful to the liver in excess.Most say to stay within 60-80. I take 1000/day and that keeps me around 50. I also tan once a week.

I know a guy that consumes lots of D3 in supplements and in enriched dairy and he can't get his levels higher than 25, so I guess there's a minority out there like you and him

So far all levels are good. Doc pulls a full panel ever 3-4 months and everything is still in line where it should be.

[elastica]

The first time I tested my D3 it was at 19. I supped 12K iu's daily, after 9 months it had only risen to 47. Not too long after that I got readings in the 80's and low 100ish. Once my stores got replenished it became easy to maintain a nice level (above 70 for me). It drops super fast if I don't supplement. Things like stress or illness can cause the body to need it in greater amounts than what would be considered normal.

[kelkel]

10K IU's daily keep me about 80.

Nice work elastica.

[mike198]

10K IU's daily keep me about 80. Nice work elastica.

How much magnesium do you supplement with?

[wellshii]

5000/week? Better than nothing, but you can definitely up that. I was doing 1000 IU's/day and my D level was at 50.6. Haven't had BW done with the 3000/day dose yet, but I would guess it's at ~70

If you up your D, up your magnesium otherwise sides may occur. Also K

Didnt need to. Levels were fine at this protocol.

[kelkel]

How much magnesium do you supplement with?

None. If I felt I had absorption issues I'd consider it.