How to decrease DHT

[hammerheart]

And many guys without question talk themselves right into erectile issues...

I believe I can talk myself into it quite a bit.

My PSA rose to 7.5 in February and went down on its own in about a month... it was 1.5 at the time of low T diagnosis and 0.5 after starting TRT.

In September, if you recall my bw, DHT levels landed at 80 ng/dl, high end of range. I haven't had an erection in months, except for a single occasion were I used proviron, my scalp hair has been re-growing, body/facial hair halted, libido totally crushed.

My SHBG was also high-ish at the time (it has always been) - 45 nmol/l. Total T was above readable range.

It's a wonder how virilization from androgens was lacking at those levels. Well, ever since managing to decrease that SHBG I got everything back - adult type body odour, hair growth, woods and even an hint of libido. I have also been having estro issues that forced me to cut back TRT dose, now I'm at 50mg 2x weekly.

Supposedly, free T levels were already elevated, but what about available DHT? Due to high affinity with SHBG and lower blood levels it's legit to expect most of it to be bound up. Dialing down SHBG must have freed it a bit, hence the virilization effect.

I don't have another explanation (pls don't tell me I'm one special snowflake).

Imo whether fina will impact libido and erections it's a matter of individuality, and one should try for himself, but honestly I don't see the case with OP to stack a drug w/o a valid reason.

[kelkel]

I don't have another explanation (pls don't tell me I'm one special snowflake).

I hear no two are the same.....

[hammerheart]

Why? You find your diagnostic conclusive?

Hows your libido now?

I'm not sure what you mean by that, it wasn't diagnostic, my goal was to reduce SHBG, and since the 10mg winstrol achieved it with success there is no need for proviron.

I already told you I consider it a useless and also expensive drug, 50mg cost more than my daily quota for TRT. Even if I wanted massive SHBG binding, there are cheaper and more effective alternatives.

About libido it comes and go, and so do morning woods, I guess I'm around a positive DHT/E2 ratio; the thing is promising, but sides have become prominent, I'm writing this with effort because I've been hitted with some serious lethargy lately, and I don't know where it's from. I haven't been feeling like this since being hypothyroid.

The other sides are in fact reminiscing of hypothyroidism, the paraesthesias got noticeably worse, cold extremities, even claudication in the lower legs, can't train at all. It looks like poor peripheral circulation. But, my TSH was zero last time I checked (from T3). I'm not sure whether the Tren and winstrol combined affected the concentrations of thyroid hormones but I'm dubious they did to this extent, might try to bump the LT4 back to 150, however even if it works it might only mask the problem. I've also gained 4Kg (9-10lbs) of water in the last two weeks.


Sometimes I feel like I'm better off TRT and should look into female hormones only instead.

I hear no two are the same.....

Indeed, well said.

[Mr.BB]

I'm not sure what you mean by that, it wasn't diagnostic, my goal was to reduce SHBG, and since the 10mg winstrol achieved it with success there is no need for proviron.

I already told you I consider it a useless and also expensive drug, 50mg cost more than my daily quota for TRT. Even if I wanted massive SHBG binding, there are cheaper and more effective alternatives.

About libido it comes and go, and so do morning woods, I guess I'm around a positive DHT/E2 ratio; the thing is promising, but sides have become prominent, I'm writing this with effort because I've been hitted with some serious lethargy lately, and I don't know where it's from. I haven't been feeling like this since being hypothyroid.

The other sides are in fact reminiscing of hypothyroidism, the paraesthesias got noticeably worse, cold extremities, even claudication in the lower legs, can't train at all. It looks like poor peripheral circulation. But, my TSH was zero last time I checked (from T3). I'm not sure whether the Tren and winstrol combined affected the concentrations of thyroid hormones but I'm dubious they did to this extent, might try to bump the LT4 back to 150, however even if it works it might only mask the problem. I've also gained 4Kg (9-10lbs) of water in the last two weeks.


Sometimes I feel like I'm better off TRT and should look into female hormones only instead.

Great. Just trying to help. If you feel good/better guess you on the right track.

The thing about stanozolol and proviron is that in my opinion proviron is more sustainable in the long run. Again just my opinion.

[hammerheart]

Great. Just trying to help. If you feel good/better guess you on the right track.

The thing about stanozolol and proviron is that in my opinion proviron is more sustainable in the long run. Again just my opinion.

Well I was hesitant about putting anything toxic into my system, but there is clinical research showing relative safeness over long term, coupled with extreme effectiveness - 50% reduction is achieved in less than a week in healthy patient.

What I think is that due to chronic high SHBG the estrogen got dominant and as a result the AR has been severely down-regulated. That means every time T is introduced the system responds much more to the E2 than T, and sides develop. Hell, just look at my experience with Tren - the progesterone-like action is predominant.

If I manage to keep enough DHT available on tissues and E2 in check, over time the balance might shift toward the AR and perhaps TRT might be effective for me by then. It will require some time, but if this fails, frankly I don't know what to do anymore.

[Mr.BB]

...., but honestly I don't see the case with OP to stack a drug w/o a valid reason.

Back to OP... To me prostate health and the few surviving hairs I got left are valid enough reasons