What causes the post-cycle overhang?

[Mr.BB]

well i think what this guy is saying supports the idea that the undecanoate is in our bodies for a VERY long time (if hes right). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwbQpAmVFuw

This means 1) we are all shut down for longer than we think and 2) starting our PCT 2-3 weeks after last pin is waaaaaaaaaaaay too early if we are taking sustenon.

Seriously, we are all doing this steriod thing wrong!

So, you dont do bloodwork????

[Jedi1337]

So, you dont do bloodwork????

Sorry i dont get ur logic. If we know the pharmacokenetics first, why would you waste ur time getting BW done before the test had totally left your system? (as we know HPTA will be shutdown).

Lets not sidestep the fact here that, on the face of it, it sounds like a lot of the advice given on this forum and others is way out of touch. The above suggests that a 12 week sust course means you are actually cycling for near-enough 6 months, insomuch that your endogenous test will be shut down for that long.

[Mr.BB]

Sorry i dont get ur logic. If we know the pharmacokenetics first, why would you waste ur time getting BW done before the test had totally left your system? (as we know HPTA will be shutdown).

Lets not sidestep the fact here that, on the face of it, it sounds like a lot of the advice given on this forum and others is way out of touch. The above suggests that a 12 week sust course means you are actually cycling for near-enough 6 months, insomuch that your endogenous test will be shut down for that long.

My logic?

You are the one trying to make a case out of the long ester of sustanon, which is decanoate ester (not undecanoate like you suggest above) being responsible for you to feel good 6-14 weeks after last pin.

This is a complete idiotic idea, as this would mean you would still be shutdown, with a wasted PCT, running on very low testosterone of the decanoate ester. Beats me why you would feel good in that situation!

[Jedi1337]

Not really idiotic if you look at the science. Very low comparatively but still supraphysiological for quite some time. The esters in sust basically taper you off.

I dont have the threads to hand, but others talk of a "bounce back" (Rich Piana) and "feeling good" followed by a crash a long time after being on sust and having done a pct, so im not the only one.

I always get the decanoate thing wrong, you knew what i meant tho - the longest sust ester!

Anyway, if i am right, the consequences for 1000s of us is quite harsh.