Super High Test Levels at 100mg/Week

[NACH3]

Just wanted to say you should look into proviron for lowering shbg. I believe it lowers shbg much better then winstrol and is much less toxic.

There are a few members who've tried Proviron to lower SHBG - & with low dose winny(10mgs to start) it's seemed to lower SHBG much better... Not to say everyone will adhere to this protocol but just food for thought...

Bizzarro was one that came to mind - I know he shared his experience up top too...

[hammerheart]

There are a few members who've tried Proviron to lower SHBG - & with low dose winny(10mgs to start) it's seemed to lower SHBG much better... Not to say everyone will adhere to this protocol but just food for thought...

Bizzarro was one that came to mind - I know he shared his experience up top too...

The 10mg winstrol didn't lower SHBG, 4 weeks on crushed it from 45 to 8 and it a also split HDL cholesterol in half, though I'm not sure if Tren is also the culprit there.

That sped up T elimination/metabolism like no tomorrow, so now I have to up dose and likely go through unhealthy peaks/valleys even on a 2x weekly protocol.

I think I could achieve the purpose intended even with as a low as 2.5mg daily, I just appear to strongly respond to the winstrol (and DHTs alike).

Anyway it's not anything I'd recommend to beginners, even low-dose could be harsh long term and requires monitoring, though I believe it's not needed to run it for long intervals, probably short cycles of the compound are more than enough to keep it down, it depends how stubborn it is, there is clinical data showing that SHBG stays somewhat lowered for months after cessation, but I have to test on myself to confirm.

As my transaminases were already elevated (I also took tons of NSAID recently, so I dunno if the winstrol is the sole factor) I had to discontinue.

It's probably more useful as "kickstart" when high SHBG levels prevents TRT from working, especially if symtomps are still present and everything else has failed.

[Youthful55guy]

The 10mg winstrol didn't lower SHBG, 4 weeks on crushed it from 45 to 8 and it a also split HDL cholesterol in half, though I'm not sure if Tren is also the culprit there.

That sped up T elimination/metabolism like no tomorrow, so now I have to up dose and likely go through unhealthy peaks/valleys even on a 2x weekly protocol.

I think I could achieve the purpose intended even with as a low as 2.5mg daily, I just appear to strongly respond to the winstrol (and DHTs alike).

Anyway it's not anything I'd recommend to beginners, even low-dose could be harsh long term and requires monitoring, though I believe it's not needed to run it for long intervals, probably short cycles of the compound are more than enough to keep it down, it depends how stubborn it is, there is clinical data showing that SHBG stays somewhat lowered for months after cessation, but I have to test on myself to confirm.

As my transaminases were already elevated (I also took tons of NSAID recently, so I dunno if the winstrol is the sole factor) I had to discontinue.

It's probably more useful as "kickstart" when high SHBG levels prevents TRT from working, especially if symtomps are still present and everything else has failed.

I think the key point with Winstrol is to start low and follow it up with labs every 4 to 6 weeks until you get the dose right. As you pointed out, you should also monitor liver enzymes but one has to be careful in monitoring other potential cofactors that can throw off liver enzymes. As you points out NSAIDs like ibuprofen and naproxen are notorious for that. So are statins, many antidepressants, and a host of other pharmaceuticals.

I think though Winstrol gets an unjust bad rap for liver effects because of bodybuilder abuse. In the minute doses we need to lower SHBF, I believe it's very safe and highly effective. I've been using 10-15 mg (now just 10 mg) for over a year and my liver enzymes have been no more than slightly elevated a couple times and that could have been due to recent NSAID or alcohol consumption (I'm not always careful about abstaining the week prior to the test). my last test (at 10 mg) came back completely normal.

Also keep in mind, that I had very high SHBG levels to begin with. They ranged between 60 to 70 nmol/L (normal 19.3-76.4). When I take 10 mg Winstrol, it keeps it pretty close to 30 nmol/L. My last 2 tests were 27.2 and 27.0. So that seems to be about the perfect amount for me.

[hammerheart]

I think the key point with Winstrol is to start low and follow it up with labs every 4 to 6 weeks until you get the dose right. As you pointed out, you should also monitor liver enzymes but one has to be careful in monitoring other potential cofactors that can throw off liver enzymes. As you points out NSAIDs like ibuprofen and naproxen are notorious for that. So are statins, many antidepressants, and a host of other pharmaceuticals.

I think though Winstrol gets an unjust bad rap for liver effects because of bodybuilder abuse. In the minute doses we need to lower SHBF, I believe it's very safe and highly effective. I've been using 10-15 mg (now just 10 mg) for over a year and my liver enzymes have been no more than slightly elevated a couple times and that could have been due to recent NSAID or alcohol consumption (I'm not always careful about abstaining the week prior to the test). my last test (at 10 mg) came back completely normal.

Also keep in mind, that I had very high SHBG levels to begin with. They ranged between 60 to 70 nmol/L (normal 19.3-76.4). When I take 10 mg Winstrol, it keeps it pretty close to 30 nmol/L. My last 2 tests were 27.2 and 27.0. So that seems to be about the perfect amount for me.

Yes, I do recall yours was very stubborn. Ibuprofen is what I took, lots of, because I couldn't eat and felt sick from gingival infection/inflammation. My GP agreed too that it could be well the cause for enzymes to raise, and recommended to check in a few months (I will before the xmas binges however, luckily I don't drink at all).

ALT raised to 122 U/L which is a tad above what's expected from drug intoxication, hence multiple factors might be at play. "Baseline" values have always been borderline, but it's a genetic/family thing.

I think I might resume winstrol at 5mg daily 6/7, if transaminases return to normal, and see if my liver is fine with it.

Ideal target for SHBG would be 15-19.

[hammerheart]

I think the key point with Winstrol is to start low and follow it up with labs every 4 to 6 weeks until you get the dose right. As you pointed out, you should also monitor liver enzymes but one has to be careful in monitoring other potential cofactors that can throw off liver enzymes. As you points out NSAIDs like ibuprofen and naproxen are notorious for that. So are statins, many antidepressants, and a host of other pharmaceuticals.

I think though Winstrol gets an unjust bad rap for liver effects because of bodybuilder abuse. In the minute doses we need to lower SHBF, I believe it's very safe and highly effective. I've been using 10-15 mg (now just 10 mg) for over a year and my liver enzymes have been no more than slightly elevated a couple times and that could have been due to recent NSAID or alcohol consumption (I'm not always careful about abstaining the week prior to the test). my last test (at 10 mg) came back completely normal.

Also keep in mind, that I had very high SHBG levels to begin with. They ranged between 60 to 70 nmol/L (normal 19.3-76.4). When I take 10 mg Winstrol, it keeps it pretty close to 30 nmol/L. My last 2 tests were 27.2 and 27.0. So that seems to be about the perfect amount for me.

Forgot to ask - how did the winstrol impact your cholesterol levels, if any at all?

[Youthful55guy]

Forgot to ask - how did the winstrol impact your cholesterol levels, if any at all?

No impact at all. However, I started taking the absolute lowest possible dose of Liptor (forget the actual dose) about a year before I started Winstrol, so that might have something to do with it.