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AI is absolutely not necessary. If you are lean enough, you shouldn't experience any estrogen related symptoms throughout your cycle at all. I just finished a 9 week 600mg/wk Test E cycle without an AI and other than a bit of bloat which was expected, I had no estrogen sides. Plus, estrogen can help a lot with gains.
hcg should be started on week 3 of the cycle, and stopped on the day of your last pin, don't use it during pct.
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This is the kind of replys we dont need beacuse they confuse the new guys.Just beacuse you didnt feel anything or get Gyno doesn't mean your E2 levels were not raised.Bloodwork during a cycle can show you this.Originally Posted by brobeans443
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I am certain mine were raised, and I dont necessarily think that's a bad thing seeing as estrogen is pretty anabolic and helps with gains. The wrong kind of replies would be to say it's an absolute to run an AI like you're saying, which it definitely is not an absolute.
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Incorrect from a medical point of view. Even though everyone is different just the bloat promotes increased sinus blockage and less than nominal sleep. This will up blood pressure and sleep heart rate and reduce oxygen content of the blood and that is the bare minimum of what it will do. Higher than normal estrogen(your body's chosen level and not the range on a generic blood test) impacts the thyroid directly reducing T4 and T3 from nominal values. If you didnt AI then most likely you did not blood test enough to see the impact.
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Just because you don't feel the side effects, doesn't mean you dont have the estrogen of an ovulating female.
High estrogen being unhealthy is not a myth, there is plenty of evidence of promoting cardiovascular problems, and certain types of cancer. The evidence was so overwhelming in the medical community that hormonal therapy (yes, it is mostly estrogen) for menopausal and perimenopausal women is very rare nowadays.
Thinking only at gyno and bloating as estrogen side effects is really only looking at the benign side effects.
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If you continue cycling like this your androgen receptors will down-regulate enough you will eventually turn into a woman.
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none of you understand the benefits of estrogen at all, no offense. It's not the enemy like everyone claims it is
it has a linear relationship at stimulating protein synthesis in connective tissue, so it keeps you injury free. It also stimulates growth hormone production, stimulates muscle repair, prevents excessive muscle damage, and it also even helps your lipid profile.
again, if you're lean enough and have a good diet, you will almost certainly not experience any estrogen related side effects at all.
you're the dumbass. You dont even have a reason as to why I'm wrong, you're just spouting your worthless opinion.
Last edited by brobeans443; 12-04-2016 at 04:58 PM.
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You hit the wrong person, I actually need my Test to be quite high to aromatize into enough estrogen, I feel so bad from low E2 that I'd gladly take estrogen if I weren't able to obtain Test
The point is, estradiol is a very potent steroid and we males need only a tiny bit of it to function, with higher levels providing no further benefits
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except for the benefits that I pointed out while being on cycle. When you elevate 1 hormone class (androgens) without a concurrent increase in estrogen, is when you will see problemsYou hit the wrong person, I actually need my Test to be quite high to aromatize into enough estrogen, I feel so bad from low E2 that I'd gladly take estrogen if I weren't able to obtain Test
The point is, estradiol is a very potent steroid and we males need only a tiny bit of it to function, with higher levels providing no further benefits
Last edited by brobeans443; 12-04-2016 at 06:32 PM.
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except for the benefits that I pointed out while being on cycle. When you elevate 1 hormone class (androgens) without a concurrent increase in estrogen, is when you will see problems
So I guess all the top doctors in the medical community, including the most influential in the HRT field are all wrong? But you are correct? More often or not guys on only HRT are prescribed low dose AI's to maintain a normal, healthy estrogen level, even when their T levels are in a normal range. Damn doctors don't know anything.
I guess this makes gyno, bloating, loss of libido, etc a healthy thing.
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Nobody said estrogen is an enemy. It is something that needs to be controlled on cycle (if you have an interest in your health).
Since you seem so knowledgeable on estrogen, at what value do you have your e2 when you run a cycle?
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