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    Thank you for the prompt replies to both of you, I appreciate it.

    Honestly for me gains are measured in strength. I train to beat the book and focus a lot on deadlifts, squats, presses et.c. Cypionate definitely took time until I noticed changes, though when it did, it is amazing. I am jumping up 2-4 reps at the same weight or +2.5-5kg on presses/+5-10kg on deads with the same reps. I rotate exercises and do the same once every 3 weeks so if this pace continues the gains will be amazing.

    If strength gains from prop take longer then the whole point of kick starting with a short ester is gone. I am suspecting that it takes a lot of time for testosterone to do it's magic (until it is metabolized and all metabolic/nervous system processes are in effect et.c.).

    I'll start with 6 weeks of an oral steroid next time then.

    By the way, why do you feel prop is your favorite verion? Any other reason than the time it takes to kick in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rnsplg View Post
    If strength gains from prop take longer then the whole point of kick starting with a short ester is gone. I am suspecting that it takes a lot of time for testosterone to do it's magic (until it is metabolized and all metabolic/nervous system processes are in effect et.c.).

    I'll start with 6 weeks of an oral steroid next time then.

    By the way, why do you feel prop is your favorite verion? Any other reason than the time it takes to kick in?
    I don't want you to get the wrong impression of strength gains from prop.

    e.g. You may notice a 5-10 pound increase in strength from prop during the first 1-2 weeks when doing DB rows. Taking dbol or adrol could easily give twice the weight increase on DB rows during the same time period.

    I only like to run short blasts 4-8 weeks then go back to a TRT dose for 6-8 weeks.

    That's why I prefer short esters.

    Short esters are also nice if you want to experiment with different ratios. For example you can use NPP or tren with with a TRT dose of prop all the way up to 500mg+/week in the same cycle and see how you best respond.

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