thanks songdog yeah i hear ya, and numbere yes you are right. No i dont want bitch tits, no i dont want to continue juice, i came here for info and got some good insight. I got insight on guys that need another hobby and i got insight on what i need to "get right". Found all I need thanks to some.....but see im getting "finish the cycle " then im getting "stop right now" then im getting condescending assholes ive already met at the gym ( no thanks ) Ive read the 101 and spoke with who i need to speak with as far as im concerned this forum is closed. Thanks to those, you know who u are.