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    Oh jeez this is still going on.

    I read that study two years ago.

    It's a retrospective cohort study.

    This means it suffers from selection bias, information bias and many statics simply cannot be measured.

    When you conduct a study with the sole intention of finding side effects you find a lot of side effects, even if they aren't statistically significant for the population at large.

    The median age of participants 61 and the range was 30-79 years old.

    That's not even close to the average age range that uses PCT.

    The study doesn't say how much tamoxifen the patients were taking or how long they were taking the drug, but it was probably years.

    A lot of those guys were in poor condition because 9 of the 64 died soon after stopping tamoxifen.

    We have no idea if any of those 9 were of the in the group of 3 that suffered ocular events.

    We have no idea if any of the patients were on other medications to try and prolong their life.

    I believe I've read every scientific paper out on tamoxifen.

    There was an Anelli study done in 1993 on the side effects of tamoxifen with 24 participants.

    No ocular events were measured in the Anelli study.

    The chance of a healthy individual having an ocular event from tamoxifen is less than one percent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    Oh jeez this is still going on.

    I read that study two years ago.

    It's a retrospective cohort study.

    This means it suffers from selection bias, information bias and many statics simply cannot be measured.

    When you conduct a study with the sole intention of finding side effects you find a lot of side effects, even if they aren't statistically significant for the population at large.

    The median age of participants 61 and the range was 30-79 years old.

    That's not even close to the average age range that uses PCT.

    The study doesn't say how much tamoxifen the patients were taking or how long they were taking the drug, but it was probably years.

    A lot of those guys were in poor condition because 9 of the 64 died soon after stopping tamoxifen.

    We have no idea if any of those 9 were of the in the group of 3 that suffered ocular events.

    We have no idea if any of the patients were on other medications to try and prolong their life.

    I believe I've read every scientific paper out on tamoxifen.

    There was an Anelli study done in 1993 on the side effects of tamoxifen with 24 participants.

    No ocular events were measured in the Anelli study.

    The chance of a healthy individual having an ocular event from tamoxifen is less than one percent.
    I agree brother but tamoximed is bad for men. Plain and simple as silabolin said it is bad. Take as little as possible. One day soon this will be realized. I respect you completely bb. I have never shown you disrespect. I WISH YOU MONITORS WOULD PAINT ME AND SILABOLIN RED. We think outside the box but we don't just talk shit like you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    I agree brother but tamoximed is bad for men. Plain and simple as silabolin said it is bad...
    Your argument makes little sense.

    It's not as simple as stating that tamoxifen is bad for men.

    How is tamoxifen bad?

    Now weigh your choices; Lose everything you gained on cycle and have low test for months, or take nolva/clomid for 4-6 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    Your argument makes little sense.

    It's not as simple as stating that tamoxifen is bad for men.

    How is tamoxifen bad?

    Now weigh your choices; Lose everything you gained on cycle and have low test for months, or take nolva/clomid for 4-6 weeks.
    I agree numb. Get it? You will keep more gains on clomid than nolva. This is the spot we disagree. You are attacking I am defending here. I mean you no harm. You are sharp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    I agree numb. Get it? You will keep more gains on clomid than nolva. This is the spot we disagree. You are attacking I am defending here. I mean you no harm. You are sharp.
    I'm attacking you?

    All I did was ask you a question.

    I disagree that you will keep more gains on only clomid.

    Nolva is a superior SERM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    I'm attacking you?

    All I did was ask you a question.

    I disagree that you will keep more gains on only clomid.

    Nolva is a superior SERM.
    You ND number are good bros I respect tbat. You all need to admit nolva is bad for men and men need to take as little as possible. I like you all too and at this point yall should like me.

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    If you can prove to me that nolva is bad for you then I'll agree, but saying it's bad because Silabolin said so doesn't carry much weight.

    I do agree that you should take as little nolva as possible, I'd advise the same for any drug.

    PCT is viewed as healthy because it's better than the alternative of doing nothing.

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    That post is square. Idk why PCT is looked at like it is good for a man. PCT has adverse side effects. We all made this choice before we cycled. I respect you guys. One day you will respect my thoughts. This is some pure thoughts from experience. Stacked serms mess with my vision too. RESPECT, MEN.

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