Quote Originally Posted by Totalrecall24 View Post
Yes it implements it all, but is all needed for a first cycle and only at 400 mg test? I know alot of ppl like stacking clomid with nolvadex but many seem happy with just nolvadex as opposed to clomid becuase of sides. I have a friend that is currently stacking test with another injection but he is only using tomoxifin cintrate, during and for pct, is that proper?

Yes, it's needed if you want to optimize your recovery. 400 mg test shuts you down just as much as a gram of test does. Shut down is shut down. Just because other guys do things half-way doesn't mean you should.

Your friend is not to bright. Tamox is not an AI and will do nothing to control estrogen from rising. Follow the link provided as it's about the best guide for a first cycle that you'll find on the internet.