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    Quote Originally Posted by DocToxin8 View Post
    Interesting.

    I avoid all test dosed higher than 250mg/ml, and the only time I get some PIP is when I inject 1ml in the biceps, and is holding around my GF when humping.
    But I prefer HG test also.
    And I really dislike the very notion that gear should contain Benzyl Benzoate. (Sure, used a lot of it, but over the last year I don't think even the tren I use contain BB.)
    But very few home brew over here, and test is easy to find HG.

    600mg pr ml. I can't see any benefit that would have to the user.
    Sure it makes sense from a smugglers perspective, but not from a users IMO.

    Remember an old UGL that produced lots of blends,
    Like 200mg test e, 200mg tren e. And I used their stuff and was quite pleased, for a while. I also used another UGL that had Sus 350 and such.
    That summer I suddenly had bloodwork revealing values of;
    CK: >4000, ASAT: >500 (don't remember ALT and other, but had high creatinine values, without (too high) elevated BUN.
    And I felt like shit, my thighs (were i injected for the most part) felt smashed.
    Headache and very brown urine for 3 weeks.

    To this day I can't know for sure what happened.
    But the only thing I had done differently than before was using lots of high dosed gear, (and probably not rotates sites enough either).

    The values reflected either a heart attack or general muscle damage.
    To my knowledge I didn't have a heart attack and have had ultrasound of my heart after that also. (and no findings have ever reported me having a heart attack)

    Maybe it was bacteria but I never felt sick on that way.
    I've left with the conclusion, or hypothesis, that it was muscle damage somehow caused by the gear. Was it solvents, or just crystallized gear tearing up muscle fibers? No idea. But I've stayed away from high dosed gear since.
    That's strange. I've had some weird things happen along the way as well. I don't see how BB can't be used to some capacity though. Even human grade has small amounts. I can see a lower dosed test E possibly holding as long as there is no extreme temperature changes. Ethyl oleate is the solvent that worries me the most. This is due to reactions I have had as well as some studies I've seen. But you're right that high dosed gear is pointless because there will be pip no matter. The highest I've went was 500mgs per ml worth test E and never, ever will I do it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT1982 View Post
    That's strange. I've had some weird things happen along the way as well. I don't see how BB can't be used to some capacity though. Even human grade has small amounts. I can see a lower dosed test E possibly holding as long as there is no extreme temperature changes. Ethyl oleate is the solvent that worries me the most. This is due to reactions I have had as well as some studies I've seen. But you're right that high dosed gear is pointless because there will be pip no matter. The highest I've went was 500mgs per ml worth test E and never, ever will I do it again.
    x2 on the EA. Cant stand that shit.

    On another note my wife cant stand guaiacol, so that makes it almost off limits too

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT1982 View Post
    That's strange. I've had some weird things happen along the way as well. I don't see how BB can't be used to some capacity though. Even human grade has small amounts. I can see a lower dosed test E possibly holding as long as there is no extreme temperature changes. Ethyl oleate is the solvent that worries me the most. This is due to reactions I have had as well as some studies I've seen. But you're right that high dosed gear is pointless because there will be pip no matter. The highest I've went was 500mgs per ml worth test E and never, ever will I do it again.
    I don't know what happened, and can't rightly just blame it on the solvents either. But BB and BA seems to be used in quite high amounts of lots of UGL gear, way more than should be needed.

    While I'm sure some BB isn't a problem,
    I can't remember any HG Pharma gear containing BB.
    Also, BA is usually never higher than 0,9%.
    In cidoteston there isn't even any BA at all,
    (they only date it with a 3 year exp date though)
    and cidoteston is virtually pain free.
    (I might remember wrong, but dont think I am about the cidoteston)

    As for ethyl oleate, I've used gear with EO.
    Either just because it said so on the bottle,
    but isn't it a good guess it's EO when it's almost as liquid as water?

    I know some HG progesterone stuff used EO,
    so it is used as a carrier. Would have to look more into it though.
    But by far, natural oils all the way what I prefer.
    Olive, grape, peanut, you name it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocToxin8 View Post
    I don't know what happened, and can't rightly just blame it on the solvents either. But BB and BA seems to be used in quite high amounts of lots of UGL gear, way more than should be needed.

    While I'm sure some BB isn't a problem,
    I can't remember any HG Pharma gear containing BB.
    Also, BA is usually never higher than 0,9%.
    In cidoteston there isn't even any BA at all,
    (they only date it with a 3 year exp date though)
    and cidoteston is virtually pain free.
    (I might remember wrong, but dont think I am about the cidoteston)

    As for ethyl oleate, I've used gear with EO.
    Either just because it said so on the bottle,
    but isn't it a good guess it's EO when it's almost as liquid as water?

    I know some HG progesterone stuff used EO,
    so it is used as a carrier. Would have to look more into it though.
    But by far, natural oils all the way what I prefer.
    Olive, grape, peanut, you name it.
    EO is super thin and that is a draw for some. BA and BB are used WAY to high in many ugls. I like <1% BA and prefer less than 10% BB if permitted

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocToxin8 View Post
    I don't know what happened, and can't rightly just blame it on the solvents either. But BB and BA seems to be used in quite high amounts of lots of UGL gear, way more than should be needed.

    While I'm sure some BB isn't a problem,
    I can't remember any HG Pharma gear containing BB.
    Also, BA is usually never higher than 0,9%.
    In cidoteston there isn't even any BA at all,
    (they only date it with a 3 year exp date though)
    and cidoteston is virtually pain free.
    (I might remember wrong, but dont think I am about the cidoteston)

    As for ethyl oleate, I've used gear with EO.
    Either just because it said so on the bottle,
    but isn't it a good guess it's EO when it's almost as liquid as water?

    I know some HG progesterone stuff used EO,
    so it is used as a carrier. Would have to look more into it though.
    But by far, natural oils all the way what I prefer.
    Olive, grape, peanut, you name it.
    Testoviron from Bayer has BB, dont know how much.

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