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    Quote Originally Posted by MToption2 View Post
    During your year cycle, your natural GH output rose from the Test..
    PCT included SERMS, SERMS reduce secretion..
    Jumping on HGH (for now) was a good idea!

    Nolva and especially Clomid have side effects of their own. Clomid ends up being estrogenic and Nolva doesn't help counter that. Sometimes even aromatase inhibitors can't stop Clomid induced shitty feelings. Take it from me who ran a Clomid only cycle.
    This is good to know, because now you know why you feel the way you do. IMO, the duration of your cycle is not to blame. I'm willing to bet with such a simple cycle, your LH & FSH can be naturally restored just fine without extending your PCT any longer.

    The bad news is Clomid's long half-life and washout period. Once, the body is saturated with it, it'll take about a full 4 weeks to clear the system. I would stay on hgh during this time.
    Wow that does make me feel like things are a lot more promising. I didn't realise the whole extent of the estrongenic activity of the Clomid.

    Would me taking an AI every few days help my mood? I have armidex if needed.

    I will continue with the HGH as I do know SERMs reduce IGF-1

    I'm glad to know the cause of how I am feeling. How many weeks PCT of nolva/clomid in total would you suggest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlammiN View Post
    Wow that does make me feel like things are a lot more promising. I didn't realise the whole extent of the estrongenic activity of the Clomid.

    Would me taking an AI every few days help my mood? I have armidex if needed.

    I will continue with the HGH as I do know SERMs reduce IGF-1

    I'm glad to know the cause of how I am feeling. How many weeks PCT of nolva/clomid in total would you suggest?
    Yeah man, it's well known that both PCT drugs are a strong libido killer for a good chunk of people. Just google search "Clomid side effects pct". That shits terrible. I was on a low dose of 12.5-25mg ed for 9-11 months before I realized what was messing me up.

    Clomid to our [LH/FSH] pituitary is like a shot of adrenaline to a failing heart after cardiac arrest. It's meant to jumpstart short term.
    I've never been on a AAS cycle so my PCT experience is lacking. I can only tell you from my personal experience with Clomid and the research I've done. I don't believe Nolvadex is much better.
    My main point is staying on SERMs is not the solution. You will feel worse than before cycle. And it will take a whole month before those two drugs are out of your system, no way around that. Might as well start ASAP. I don't think an additional few weeks at those dosages will help any.

    Oh, Nolva/Clomid both jack up cortisol too...

    You have a very good chance at full recovery. Staying on hcg throughout entire cycle was the smartest decision you've made. Just keep in mind, you'll lose some of your gains. You'll become a little flatter, softer, weaker, etc after all is said and done but you already knew that. Behavioral sensitization is also a factor here. Do you think you'll be able to fairly contrast your mental well-being pre-cycle compared to let's say 2 months from now? You were on Test for a llloonngg time.

    If you are gonna continue SERMs, then Arimidex is advised to trial. For some, Aromasin is superior. No estrogen rebound but non-response more likely.
    Don't be surprised if Arimidex doesn't alleviate SERMs induced side effects. This is common in many TRT patients. Keep your expectations low.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I just want you to keep your expectations realistic. At this point, if you had to choose which drugs to get off. I would recommend both Nolva and Clomid.
    Last edited by MToption2; 03-09-2017 at 02:17 PM.

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