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    My philosophy is, first cycle, dont add an AI in until you start seeing sides *unless* you have previous experience suggesting you will have issues with excessive aromatisation/gyno. Risky, and I certainly see the argument for running one out of the gate, but I think it is a good way to dial in AI use without unnecessarily dropping E2. E2 is not the devil. Dosing blind, .25mg adex eod *could* well be too much/often.

    And 4sh weeks in, youre only just starting to reach a peak plasma saturation level; you generally wont start seeing strength gains til nowish - week six anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Nac- View Post
    My philosophy is, first cycle, dont add an AI in until you start seeing sides *unless* you have previous experience suggesting you will have issues with excessive aromatisation/gyno. Risky, and I certainly see the argument for running one out of the gate, but I think it is a good way to dial in AI use without unnecessarily dropping E2. E2 is not the devil. Dosing blind, .25mg adex eod *could* well be too much/often.

    And 4sh weeks in, youre only just starting to reach a peak plasma saturation level; you generally wont start seeing strength gains til nowish - week six anyway.
    Thanks. I did start getting like hard nipples all the time someone said that to use an ai? I had it to hand so thought I better had do it

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Nac- View Post
    My philosophy is, first cycle, dont add an AI in until you start seeing sides *unless* you have previous experience suggesting you will have issues with excessive aromatisation/gyno. Risky, and I certainly see the argument for running one out of the gate, but I think it is a good way to dial in AI use without unnecessarily dropping E2. E2 is not the devil. Dosing blind, .25mg adex eod *could* well be too much/often.

    And 4sh weeks in, youre only just starting to reach a peak plasma saturation level; you generally wont start seeing strength gains til nowish - week six anyway.
    Interesting philosophy. Opposite of what I would say, but I would like to hear more

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT1982 View Post
    Interesting philosophy. Opposite of what I would say, but I would like to hear more
    Yeah someone told me to follow the first cycle on here and it said take ai at .25 eod

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrecker92 View Post
    Yeah someone told me to follow the first cycle on here and it said take ai at .25 eod
    That's good advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Nac-
    My philosophy is, first cycle, dont add an AI in until you start seeing sides *unless* you have previous experience suggesting you will have issues with excessive aromatisation/gyno. Risky, and I certainly see the argument for running one out of the gate, but I think it is a good way to dial in AI use without unnecessarily dropping E2. E2 is not the devil. Dosing blind, .25mg adex eod *could* well be too much/often. And 4sh weeks in, youre only just starting to reach a peak plasma saturation level; you generally wont start seeing strength gains til nowish - week six anyway.
    The issue that I see you do not aleays see the sides unless you have bw. The .25 eod is the starting point, bw mid cycle is the determining factor for adjusting the ai dose.
    Anyway you look at it, taking AI without bloodwork is taking it blind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Nac- View Post
    My philosophy is, first cycle, dont add an AI in until you start seeing sides *unless* you have previous experience suggesting you will have issues with excessive aromatisation/gyno. Risky, and I certainly see the argument for running one out of the gate, but I think it is a good way to dial in AI use without unnecessarily dropping E2. E2 is not the devil. Dosing blind, .25mg adex eod *could* well be too much/often.

    And 4sh weeks in, youre only just starting to reach a peak plasma saturation level; you generally wont start seeing strength gains til nowish - week six anyway.
    The reason for AI beyond sides is that Estrogen protects muscle. Less micro tears and less overall growth on cycle. At minimal you are retarding your possible results by not using an AI.

    If it is your first cycle and you dont use an AI...and it turns out you are sensitive to gyno...you just effed up.

    High Estrogen raises blood pressure. Some people say oh I feel fine..and they are sitting there at 150/100. You just raised your susceptibility to cardiac issues by 30ish percent.

    Just a few points of why to always take an AI. I live on AAromasin and it is so easy to adjust unlike Adex. You cannot bottom out estrogen on Aromasin unless you eat tablespoons of it due to it is a percentage reducer instead of a total cutter like Adex.

    Only reason to not take an AI is you cannot afford it. If you cannot afford an AI you cannot afford Steroids.

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