Add Tren to deca cycle

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As to original question

You plan a cycle beforehand...not modify as you go. Just asking for trouble.

I do not agree with gains cut at 8 weeks at all. You see "false" gains over the first 3-5 weeks due to nitrogen retention inflation. You lose that (a decent percentage of it) as soon as you hit PCT and free test takes a dive.

as stated above "only" 5 lbs of muscle over the last 8 weeks.....I'll take that any two months of any year. Growth recoup and recovery is important for not getting injuries due to slower tendon strengthening growth compared to muscle.

People talk about false gains, never understood... Do you mean water and fat? Thats not a gain to me. I have put 150 lbs on my squat workset inside 10 ten weeks and never injured myself. Granted I had muscle memory playing in my favor, I know a lot of pros and a lot of guys here only run 8 week cycles unless they are on deca or another very long ester.

[Chicagotarsier]

People talk about false gains, never understood... Do you mean water and fat? Thats not a gain to me. I have put 150 lbs on my squat workset inside 10 ten weeks and never injured myself. Granted I had muscle memory playing in my favor, I know a lot of pros and a lot of guys here only run 8 week cycles unless they are on deca or another very long ester.

Muscle growth over time should be fairly consistent as long as proper nutrition and sleep are present. Over the first portion of the cycle ie weeks 1-5 you see muscles filling and gaining size. Yes that is not a gain. That is the retention of Nitrogen and water and other nutrients in the muscle.

Yes there is a lot to be considered when doing a cycle. If you are over genetic potential like the guy in Nach3's avatar you aren't looking so much at gaining mass as you are maintaining mass and creating definition via low bodyfat and focused reps. For me I never go over my genetic potential but I do a lot of endurance exercise. The longer cycle for me replaces the lost mass from cardio. You have to remember your goal to success is not always the same as the person giving you feedback.

As far as your strength gain..yes. I get a HUGE boost there on cycle and it continued to a definite plateau. Beyond this is not mass gain so much but rather CNS training. People vary so the ratio to body weight and weight on the bar speaks to where your line is. I am a big guy and pressing 1:1 on bar to bodyweight is a big deal. I do not see me pressing over 400 on military press or bench anymore in life but I will keep it at 1:1 on cycle as my goal until the end.

[Obs]

Muscle growth over time should be fairly consistent as long as proper nutrition and sleep are present. Over the first portion of the cycle ie weeks 1-5 you see muscles filling and gaining size. Yes that is not a gain. That is the retention of Nitrogen and water and other nutrients in the muscle.

Yes there is a lot to be considered when doing a cycle. If you are over genetic potential like the guy in Nach3's avatar you aren't looking so much at gaining mass as you are maintaining mass and creating definition via low bodyfat and focused reps. For me I never go over my genetic potential but I do a lot of endurance exercise. The longer cycle for me replaces the lost mass from cardio. You have to remember your goal to success is not always the same as the person giving you feedback.

As far as your strength gain..yes. I get a HUGE boost there on cycle and it continued to a definite plateau. Beyond this is not mass gain so much but rather CNS training. People vary so the ratio to body weight and weight on the bar speaks to where your line is. I am a big guy and pressing 1:1 on bar to bodyweight is a big deal. I do not see me pressing over 400 on military press or bench anymore in life but I will keep it at 1:1 on cycle as my goal until the end.

Well for size gain for jon or me, 8 wks is where 99% of your gains are going to come from.