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    Agree with YG's advice. 300 mgs per week is not TRT, it's a low dose cycle which long term won't be good for you as YG noted. HCG at 500 is probably a bit high, imho but it still fits within studies I've read regarding maintaining fertility. If that's not your concern I'd probably cut the dose in half which may help with estrogen issues as well.

    I used to do 3 x 250 IU's per week and cut it back to twice and felt no negative consequence for it. Personally I agree the timing of it doesn't matter much unless on a once per week protocol. That said, there are some knowledgeable guys in this arena who've switched to low dose daily injections and report feeling better this way. Crisler being one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Agree with YG's advice. 300 mgs per week is not TRT, it's a low dose cycle which long term won't be good for you as YG noted. HCG at 500 is probably a bit high, imho but it still fits within studies I've read regarding maintaining fertility. If that's not your concern I'd probably cut the dose in half which may help with estrogen issues as well.

    I used to do 3 x 250 IU's per week and cut it back to twice and felt no negative consequence for it. Personally I agree the timing of it doesn't matter much unless on a once per week protocol. That said, there are some knowledgeable guys in this arena who've switched to low dose daily injections and report feeling better this way. Crisler being one of them.
    My TRT dose is actually 300/week from my doctor, confirmed by bloods. I've been TRT for almost 4 years now and my levels were still below 200 so they bumped me up.

    My doctor has me getting bloods and follow up very often, hard to schedule in cycles because she watches me like a hawk but it's doable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0tsf1red View Post
    My TRT dose is actually 300/week from my doctor, confirmed by bloods. I've been TRT for almost 4 years now and my levels were still below 200 so they bumped me up.

    My doctor has me getting bloods and follow up very often, hard to schedule in cycles because she watches me like a hawk but it's doable.
    What is the exact protocol? I'm curious because if injections as spaced out to far and BW pulled at trough level it's really not a solid indicator. Even now many docs still put people on protocols based on the terminal life of test, not half life. If your protocol is weekly then you would seem to be some type of hyper-metabolizer.

    Re cycling, it seems short esters would be your best bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    What is the exact protocol? I'm curious because if injections as spaced out to far and BW pulled at trough level it's really not a solid indicator. Even now many docs still put people on protocols based on the terminal life of test, not half life. If your protocol is weekly then you would seem to be some type of hyper-metabolizer.

    Re cycling, it seems short esters would be your best bet.
    150/mg a week I meant, 300mg every 2.

    My bad on the error, 300mg/week would be a hell of a ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0tsf1red View Post
    My TRT dose is actually 300/week from my doctor, confirmed by bloods. I've been TRT for almost 4 years now and my levels were still below 200 so they bumped me up.

    My doctor has me getting bloods and follow up very often, hard to schedule in cycles because she watches me like a hawk but it's doable.
    Question: Do your labs include SHBG? If it is low, then it could explain why your Total T levels are so low on such a high dose. If SHBG is low, then the Free T will be metabolized much faster by the liver. I'm at the complete opposite end of the SHBG spectrum, so I fight a different battle. I have heard of guys with low SHBF having better luck with daily injections of short esters (i.e. T-Prop) as Kel mentioned. However, I could theorize too that very long acting esters too might work better (i.e. Nebido/T-undeconate). The very long acting ester might take the place of SHBG and protect the T from rapid metabolism.

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