3rd Cycle, 1st stack.

[Tuxx]

Hey everyone I just wanted to get a few pointers on my first stack. As the title implies this will be my 3rd cycle and looking to incorporate more than just test in to this one. I'm 25, 5'7", 175lbs ( not my typical weight which hovers around 185lbs but I'm currently in an austere environment where my diet isn't great), ~12-14% bf, I have 8 years of training experience. I'm looking to gain size and strength. I've previously used prop but thinking about switching to cypionate or enanthate. Going to do 500mg of test per week, 35 mg of dbol per day and up to 10iu's of HGH per day ( will build up ). Test will be in for 12 weeks, dbol for 8 weeks and HGH for 20 weeks. Any pointers on this would be great.

[dr. Bad Breath]

Hey everyone I just wanted to get a few pointers on my first stack. As the title implies this will be my 3rd cycle and looking to incorporate more than just test in to this one. I'm 25, 5'7", 175lbs ( not my typical weight which hovers around 185lbs but I'm currently in an austere environment where my diet isn't great), ~12-14% bf, I have 8 years of training experience. I'm looking to gain size and strength. I've previously used prop but thinking about switching to cypionate or enanthate. Going to do 500mg of test per week, 35 mg of dbol per day and up to 10iu's of HGH per day ( will build up ). Test will be in for 12 weeks, dbol for 8 weeks and HGH for 20 weeks. Any pointers on this would be great.

U should limit dbol to max 5 weeks.
If it was me, i would drop dbol. Its a nasty drug. And run 300 mg deca for 10 weeks with your test.

[Tuxx]

U should limit dbol to max 5 weeks.
If it was me, i would drop dbol. Its a nasty drug. And run 300 mg deca for 10 weeks with your test.

Ok so I know dbol has hepatotoxicity that comes with c17-aa's but what else do you mean by that. Deca sounds great but I'm looking for those more dramatic and pronounced gains. Would those come with deca. I feel like I should have done more with my first cycles. I responded very well to just test but was too conservative I guess. I'm just trying to maximize this initial stack.

[Capebuffalo]

What were your first two cycles?
AI?
HCG?
PCT?

[PT1982]

What were your first two cycles?
AI?
HCG?
PCT?

I'll second Cape. And you're asking about deca as if you're unsure. Its the oldest, most tried and true stack of all time. That is, test, deca, and dbol. There isn't much explaining other than its a proven winner.

[Tuxx]

What were your first two cycles?
AI?
HCG?
PCT?

Both were test prop only.
Cycle 1: 100 mg every other day
Cycle 2: 200 mg every other day

HCG was 500 iu's a week

Used arimidex while on cycle .3 mg every other day/the days I pinned

PCT:
clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20

Basically, followed a plan similar to the newbie guide you guy have here.

Like I said, I got good gains but started too low and didn't ramp up Just trying to get more out of this one

[Tuxx]

I'll second Cape. And you're asking about deca as if you're unsure. Its the oldest, most tried and true stack of all time. That is, test, deca, and dbol. There isn't much explaining other than its a proven winner.

I'm not questioning its effectiveness, I'm asking if it's it's going to get me where I want to be. I know more about dbol than deca is all.

[charger69]

I'm not questioning its effectiveness, I'm asking if it's it's going to get me where I want to be. I know more about dbol than deca is all.

One of my favorite cycles. Deca is very slow acting. Don't get impatient. Slow in, slow out
Deca and an AI will raise your cholesteral. I get bloods to make sure that I am OK.

[Tuxx]

One of my favorite cycles. Deca is very slow acting. Don't get impatient. Slow in, slow out
Deca and an AI will raise your cholesteral. I get bloods to make sure that I am OK.

Ok. So since deca is slow acting would I expect to keep most of my gains once I discontinue use? How well did your strength improve? If you have any anecdotes about increase in weight and strength and how much of that you kept it'd help with a decision.

[PT1982]

I'm not questioning its effectiveness, I'm asking if it's it's going to get me where I want to be. I know more about dbol than deca is all.

You won't be disappointed. It'll do whatever your diet is aimed at very efficiently and effectively. Never plan a cycle based off what the steroid will do, as they all are only going to do what you put in. You're the one that determines what the steroid does through your diet and training.

[charger69]

You won't be disappointed. It'll do whatever your diet is aimed at very efficiently and effectively. Never plan a cycle based off what the steroid will do, as they all are only going to do what you put in. You're the one that determines what the steroid does through your diet and training.

Well said PT!

[Tuxx]

You won't be disappointed. It'll do whatever your diet is aimed at very efficiently and effectively. Never plan a cycle based off what the steroid will do, as they all are only going to do what you put in. You're the one that determines what the steroid does through your diet and training.

Yes, I know that. As I've said be been training for a while now. I get if you put garbage in and have a shit plan you won't get good results. I'm just looking for someone to qualify a set of results from deca vs. a set of results from dbol, complications they've had, etc. Yes it will ultimately come down to my personal metrics and plan but the more information I have the more informed choice I can make. I'm not asking if the steroids will work, I'm seeing will work the best for me, best suited for the cycle I'm trying to get. Like if I was looking for a cutting cycle winstrol would be far more effective than say dbol

[Tuxx]

Hey everyone I just wanted to get a few pointers on my first stack. As the title implies this will be my 3rd cycle and looking to incorporate more than just test in to this one. I'm 25, 5'7", 175lbs ( not my typical weight which hovers around 185lbs but I'm currently in an austere environment where my diet isn't great), ~12-14% bf, I have 8 years of training experience. I'm looking to gain size and strength. I've previously used prop but thinking about switching to cypionate or enanthate. Going to do 500mg of test per week, 35 mg of dbol per day and up to 10iu's of HGH per day ( will build up ). Test will be in for 12 weeks, dbol for 8 weeks and HGH for 20 weeks. Any pointers on this would be great.

Due to much input and deliberation I've decided to change up this cycle (dropped dbol and hgh, added deca and mast). Here is the new outline:

CYCLE:
Week 1-16: Test Cyp - 500mg [per week]
Week 1-14: Deca - 500mg [per week]
Week 1-8: Mast - 400mg [per week] / 100mg [M,W,F,Sat]
Week 1-16: hCG - 500iu [per week] / 250iu [M, Th]
Week 1-18: Arimidex - 0.25 [EOD]

PCT (start 18 days after last injection):
Week 19-22: Clomid - 75/50/50/50
Week 19-22: Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20

STATS:
AGE – 25 years old
HEIGHT – 5'7
WEIGHT – 175lbs
BODY FAT ~ 12-13%
TRAINING EXPERIENCE - 8 years
AAS EXPERIENCE - 2 cycles

CYCLE PURPOSE:
Build solid lean gains and increase strength.

Just 2 questions really:
How does this set up look?
Could I backload anavar once I come off Mast?

[guitarzan]

Not sure mast is a good idea, considering your goals. I would stick to just two compounds since you've never stacked before

[yesidont]

3mg adex EOD ?? !!!

[Capebuffalo]

3mg adex EOD ?? !!!

.25 eod. Can you read?

[Tuxx]

3mg adex EOD ?? !!!

.3 mg
You missed the decimal in front of the 3
I would have done .25 mg but the form that I got it was liquid and it was almost too small. So, just added .05 to make it somewhat more substantial.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

1.4 grams of gear for 175lbs seems a bit excessive to me.
Drop the mast.
And eat.
Then eat some more.

I am your height and 45-50lbs heavier.
My next cycle will be 500g of test per week.

[Tuxx]

1.4 grams of gear for 175lbs seems a bit excessive to me.
Drop the mast.
And eat.
Then eat some more.

I am your height and 45-50lbs heavier.
My next cycle will be 500g of test per week.

I am usually heavier, typically walk around at 195lbs. However I'm currently deployed and in an austere environment where adequate food and a gym aren't present.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I am usually heavier, typically walk around at 195lbs. However I'm currently deployed and in an austere environment where adequate food and a gym aren't present.

So running a cycle would be useless.
Not enough food means no growth.
Start eating like a 195lb man again and you when you get back to 195lbs then...
run a cycle and eat even more.

[Tuxx]

So running a cycle would be useless.
Not enough food means no growth.
Start eating like a 195lb man again and you when you get back to 195lbs then...
run a cycle and eat even more.

This isn't for right now. I'm planning this Cycle for when I get back. Trust me I know how important nutrition is. That's not my issue. I just want to get everything ironed out so that when I'm back I'll have it all laid out. Besides, I couldn't get gear where I am anyway.

[Capebuffalo]

This isn't for right now. I'm planning this Cycle for when I get back. Trust me I know how important nutrition is. That's not my issue. I just want to get everything ironed out so that when I'm back I'll have it all laid out. Besides, I couldn't get gear where I am anyway.

Keep your head down. And watch your six.

[kelkel]

Due to much input and deliberation I've decided to change up this cycle (dropped dbol and hgh, added deca and mast). Here is the new outline:

CYCLE:
Week 1-16: Test Cyp - 500mg [per week]
Week 1-14: Deca - 500mg [per week]
Week 1-8: Mast - 400mg [per week] / 100mg [M,W,F,Sat]
Week 1-16: hCG - 500iu [per week] / 250iu [M, Th]
Week 1-18: Arimidex - 0.25 [EOD]

PCT (start 18 days after last injection):
Week 19-22: Clomid - 75/50/50/50
Week 19-22: Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20

STATS:
AGE – 25 years old
HEIGHT – 5'7
WEIGHT – 175lbs
BODY FAT ~ 12-13%
TRAINING EXPERIENCE - 8 years
AAS EXPERIENCE - 2 cycles

CYCLE PURPOSE:
Build solid lean gains and increase strength.

Just 2 questions really:
How does this set up look?
Could I backload anavar once I come off Mast?

You don't need 500 mg deca. Drop it back imho.
Skip the mast based on your current goals.
I think you'll need more adex but you can ride it out and check bloods after 5 weeks or so.
Run Caber at .25 x 2 pw.

[Tuxx]

You don't need 500 mg deca. Drop it back imho.
Skip the mast based on your current goals.
I think you'll need more adex but you can ride it out and check bloods after 5 weeks or so.
Run Caber at .25 x 2 pw.

Ok about to put the order in. Might be heading back sooner since the liberation of Mosul is complete. Dropping Deca to 300 mg, switching from adex to stane 12.5 mg aday (cholesterol was high-normal last check and trying to prevent a significant bump), and added Prami ( .25mg/day for the first week then bumping to .5mg/day for the remainder of the cycle). Here's the new finalized layout :

CYCLE:
Week 1-14: Test Cyp - 500mg [per week]
Week 1-12: Deca - 300mg [per week]
Week 1-16: hCG - 500iu [per week] / 250iu [M, Th]
Week 1-16: Stane - 12.5mg [per day] (will increase if necessary after mid-cycle blood)
Week 1-16 Prami - .25mg/ day(week 1) - .5mg/day(weeks 2-16)

PCT (start 18 days after last injection):
Week 16-20: Clomid - 75/50/50/50
Week 16-20: Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20

STATS:
AGE – 25 years old
HEIGHT – 5'7
WEIGHT – 175lbs
BODY FAT ~ 12-13%
TRAINING EXPERIENCE - 8 years
AAS EXPERIENCE - 2 cycles

CYCLE PURPOSE:
Build solid lean gains and increase strength

How's does this look guys?

My supplier said I get a deployment discount 😂

[alan22791]

This is a great program!

[songdog]

Yes HGH would've been a waste for the lil time you were going to run it.