Anavar, T3/Clen, intermittent fasting, and an attempted emergency body recomp

[Back In Black]

Read all the posts you have above again and again and again.

Read this and understand what HCG does, it certainly doesn't restore your test levels

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html


Read and understand what an AI does and why you shouldn't take it without exogenous test.

If you come of this this barely normal you will have been a lucky boy.

[Jiggerjaw]

Read all the posts you have above again and again and again.

Read this and understand what HCG does, it certainly doesn't restore your test levels


Read and understand what an AI does and why you shouldn't take it without exogenous test.

If you come of this this barely normal you will have been a lucky boy.

I do understand how HCG works, I know it mimics LH. I figure two weeks into my cycle my T has shut down as much as it's going to. The HCG is to return my T towards normal to finish off my cycle and then keep it normal for a couple weeks after my cycle as the anavar wears off. At the end of these two weeks, my T level should be around baseline which means the only suppression would be what natural level of suppression my T would be giving off. I'll be tapering the HCG down week to week to smooth the transition from anabolic to normal.

If having estrogen is important for reasons I don't realize, I'll leave the AI out. From what I've read, it helps with bone density but is not all that important for men unless you have too much in which case it causes numerous problems. For this reason, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to crash my E for a few weeks while my T is crashing just so the T to E ratio still favors T, plus there won't be as much E suppressing my T production.

I've looked up "side effects of AI" and "estrogen function in men" and it honestly doesn't seem like it's too horrible of a hormone to crash. What am I missing?

[Dj Screw]

I do understand how HCG works, I know it mimics LH. I figure two weeks into my cycle my T has shut down as much as it's going to. The HCG is to return my T towards normal to finish off my cycle and then keep it normal for a couple weeks after my cycle as the anavar wears off. At the end of these two weeks, my T level should be around baseline which means the only suppression would be what natural level of suppression my T would be giving off. I'll be tapering the HCG down week to week to smooth the transition from anabolic to normal.

If having estrogen is important for reasons I don't realize, I'll leave the AI out. From what I've read, it helps with bone density but is not all that important for men unless you have too much in which case it causes numerous problems. For this reason, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to crash my E for a few weeks while my T is crashing just so the T to E ratio still favors T, plus there won't be as much E suppressing my T production.

I've looked up "side effects of AI" and "estrogen function in men" and it honestly doesn't seem like it's too horrible of a hormone to crash. What am I missing?

Doesn't seem like a bad idea to crash your E for a few weeks? Doesn't seem like it's too horrible of a hormone to crash? LOL

I'm just shocked why you won't take any of the advice that has been given to you. There have been 8 different people not including myself telling you that what you are trying to do is flat out stupid. They have been doing this for years and years, have experience with everything you are trying to use, and this is your first time even looking at any of these compounds. Do you think you are some kind of wizard creating some special science that no one else has ever considered with compounds that have been around for decades? Take a step back and think about what you are doing, and maybe think about the 9 different people trying to give you advice.

You are in for a treat when you crash your E with Letro

[Jiggerjaw]

Do you blindly do what people tell you to do? You mock my plan, call me stupid, but don't point me to any research or even answer any of my questions. I'm here because I fully recognize and admit that people here know more than I do. Over and over, I have been kind and asked for help. Over and over, you've been a dick. Everyone else has posted with legitimate replies and are truly trying to help me out and warn me about things I'm doing wrong. All you're doing is piggybacking on other people telling me things, not offering any insight, and being rude.

If you know of side effects that occur while crashing E, the information would be appreciated. After all, my post is literally asking if there's any side effects that I'm missing if I crash my E. I didn't say "I know for a fact that I'm right". I said "What am I missing?". I don't know everything and I can admit to that. If you don't have any helpful information and all you want to do is make fun of me for not knowing everything, why the hell are you on this forum? This is a question forum and I posted asking "Is what I'm doing okay, if not please explain why". I'm not a blind sheep, I make my own decisions based off the information I'm presented with. I'm here to gather information from people that have the experience that I don't.

[Dj Screw]

Do you blindly do what people tell you to do? You mock my plan, call me stupid, but don't point me to any research or even answer any of my questions. I'm here because I fully recognize and admit that people here know more than I do. Over and over, I have been kind and asked for help. Over and over, you've been a dick. Everyone else has posted with legitimate replies and are truly trying to help me out and warn me about things I'm doing wrong. All you're doing is piggybacking on other people telling me things, not offering any insight, and being rude.

If you know of side effects that occur while crashing E, the information would be appreciated. After all, my post is literally asking if there's any side effects that I'm missing if I crash my E. I didn't say "I know for a fact that I'm right". I said "What am I missing?". I don't know everything and I can admit to that. If you don't have any helpful information and all you want to do is make fun of me for not knowing everything, why the hell are you on this forum? This is a question forum and I posted asking "Is what I'm doing okay, if not please explain why". I'm not a blind sheep, I make my own decisions based off the information I'm presented with. I'm here to gather information from people that have the experience that I don't.

Blindly? No, but if I ask multiple people that are reputable I would take their advice if I had no idea what I was doing.

I never called you stupid, I said what you are trying to do is and I am right.

I'm not going to sit here and google things you could yourself, you asked for advice and 9 people have tried to tell you what you are doing is wrong, what else do you need to hear?

It seems like I'm piggybacking on what everyone else is saying because everyone is saying the same thing lol. Forget about me if you think I'm just trying to be a jerk, listen to everyone else then because they are saying the same thing using different words.

There are a lot of side effects from crashing you E. Does it really have to be spelled out for you? You didn't listen before when people tried and gave up, I'm one of the few still here trying to help you out...you are just taking it the wrong way.

Anyways, I won't post on your thread anymore

Good luck

[TRA]

Do you blindly do what people tell you to do? You mock my plan, call me stupid, but don't point me to any research or even answer any of my questions. I'm here because I fully recognize and admit that people here know more than I do. Over and over, I have been kind and asked for help. Over and over, you've been a dick. Everyone else has posted with legitimate replies and are truly trying to help me out and warn me about things I'm doing wrong. All you're doing is piggybacking on other people telling me things, not offering any insight, and being rude.

If you know of side effects that occur while crashing E, the information would be appreciated. After all, my post is literally asking if there's any side effects that I'm missing if I crash my E. I didn't say "I know for a fact that I'm right". I said "What am I missing?". I don't know everything and I can admit to that. If you don't have any helpful information and all you want to do is make fun of me for not knowing everything, why the hell are you on this forum? This is a question forum and I posted asking "Is what I'm doing okay, if not please explain why". I'm not a blind sheep, I make my own decisions based off the information I'm presented with. I'm here to gather information from people that have the experience that I don't.

On the home page of steroid dot com are a host of sections rife with information on steroids, ancillaries, all the side effects, indications, etc. I know there is some info in there that is not tried and true but for someone intellectually steroid naive (and I mean that sincerely, not facetiously) there is a ton of good info. There are also "sticky notes" at the top of all of the forum sections which contain a ton of information.

When you have a couple of hours I'm sure you can find a lot of people to tell you how AAS messed them up because they used them uninformed. I would be one of those people.

As far as crashing estrogen...I don't know which felt worse, having no estrogen from letrozole (which was prescribed by my TRT doc until I convinced her to use adex) or having no testosterone. I agree wholeheartedly with max out with diet and routine and then go to AAS if you still want to. Since you've already started get with one of the experienced guys and let them guide you off or through completion, including HCG and let them guide you with ancillaries.

Do I do everything I'm told? If I am getting solid advice from a vet, yes. I found one guy I go to religiously here who is respected and whose fund of knowledge is incredible. You can't buy that resource with money and there are a lot of guys here who can help. Most everyone I have approached PM out of the forum has been more than helpful, and I in turn have listened and learned (tried to) and tried to get myself out of the way.

Kudos for starting down a path of change, hopefully it's a lifelong path for fitness and awareness. Good luck!

[Jiggerjaw]

I guess I'm different... I have a hard time with doing something just because someone tells me to :P

Thank you for the post! You are right... When I googled "low estrogen in men" nothing came up but searching the forum specifically came up with a bunch of horror stories. I'm pretty much phasing the AI out of my PCT except for insanely low microdoses the day following an HCG stick. So far, so good.

I do plan on staying on the wagon this time I've worked out religiously since ~18 years old... This has just been a weird year or two