On TRT, Need Help - First Time Poster

[Youthful55guy]

Sorry, yes .75 mL. I'm thinking if I did a E3D protocol, I should probably up mine a bit since it has less effect when broken up? So match your .25 and try that. Also, I have no idea where to get insulin syringes. Any recommendations? Aren't the needles on insulin syringes relatively short? So that would be more of an intradermal injection than an intramuscular one, right?

Anyone want to weigh in on my labs, or do you want to wait for the good ones?

Actually, you can get by with less on a more frequent injection protocol like E3D. You will have much more stable levels, so your lows aren't as low. Therefore, you can get by with less. Also makes for much more stable and lower E2 levels in that you don't go super high out of range early in the injection cycle and drive faster conversion to E2.

Regarding the exact dose, I suggest you start with 0.2 mL and see what your labs look like in 4 to 6 weeks and then adjust from there. Everyone is different and it is highly dependent on SHBG levels. I have very high levels, but I bring that down into range with either low dose Winstrol (10 mg/day) or low dose Anavar (20 mg). Which keeps me in the zone. I find that when I'm in the zone, that 0.2 is adequate and 0.25 is on the high side.

I get all of my syringes from TotalDiabetes.com. Here's the exact syringe I use: https://www.totaldiabetessupply.com/...g-1cc-1-2-inch. They deliver via USPS in most states, fast and easy. It's a 1/2 inch long needle and it works just fine with the quad muscle. For me, I know it goes into the shallow muscle (I can feel it). It's debatable too whether there's any difference between IM or SC.

[Case Manager]

1) Actually, you can get by with less on a more frequent injection protocol like E3D. You will have much more stable levels, so your lows aren't as low. Therefore, you can get by with less. Also makes for much more stable and lower E2 levels in that you don't go super high out of range early in the injection cycle and drive faster conversion to E2.

2) Regarding the exact dose, I suggest you start with 0.2 mL and see what your labs look like in 4 to 6 weeks and then adjust from there. Everyone is different and it is highly dependent on SHBG levels. I have very high levels, but I bring that down into range with either low dose Winstrol (10 mg/day) or low dose Anavar (20 mg). Which keeps me in the zone. I find that when I'm in the zone, that 0.2 is adequate and 0.25 is on the high side.

3) I get all of my syringes from TotalDiabetes.com. Here's the exact syringe I use: https://www.totaldiabetessupply.com/...g-1cc-1-2-inch. They deliver via USPS in most states, fast and easy. It's a 1/2 inch long needle and it works just fine with the quad muscle. For me, I know it goes into the shallow muscle (I can feel it). It's debatable too whether there's any difference between IM or SC.

1) Huh, I thought it was opposite.

2) Will do. Should I stay on the 1 mg Anastrozole/day to start still?

3) Buying those needles now. Thanks!

Did you happen to take a look at my labs?

[Youthful55guy]

1) Huh, I thought it was opposite.

2) Will do. Should I stay on the 1 mg Anastrozole/day to start still?

3) Buying those needles now. Thanks!

Did you happen to take a look at my labs?

1) A common misconception. With more frequent injections like E3D, the goal is to always be within normal physiological range for T (mostly FT). The goal is to keep FT at the end of the 3 day cycle at about the 66th percentile for a man 20-29 years of age. With the LabCorp test, that's about 20.7 pg/mL (Normal Range = 9.3 to 26.5). Your SHBG will determine how much TT you need to attain that level. However, if your SHBG is too high (as is mine), the amount of TT you need pushes you out of range for TT, and even though it is still bound, there are side-effects to excessively high TT. BOTTOM LINE IS TO GET YOUR LABS DONE AND USE THE DATA TO DRIVE YOUR DECISIONS.

2) I don't recommend anastrozole (or any other E2 inhibitor or blocker) unless your labs indicate you need it. Guys on TRT are WAY TOO PARANOID about gynecomastia because of all of the chatter from bodybuilders that use abusive levels of T. If you keep your TT and FT within range, there should be no need for E2 control, or if you do, minimal at most. I use extremely low levels of anastrozole (about 0.5 mg per week) using the vodka eye dropper method. However, I've got countless labs to show that this amount will keep me within range, and even when I don't use it, I'm usually still within the upper end of the range. Did you know you need E2 for normal erections? many guys find that out the hard way when they use way too much anastrozole and get a really bad case of ED. Did you also know that you need a certain level of E2 in the brain to maintain normal GH levels? Again, crash E2 and it can have a cascade effect in the body.

3) Let us know how the insulin syringes work or if you need advice. The first few times pulling it up can be frustrating. You need to learn proper technique. Insert the needle, invert the vial and syringe, and pull ALL THE WAY BACK on the plunger and keep it there for about a minute as the oil slowly seeps into the syringe. Then SLOWLY push out the excess as the air bubbles coalesce and rise to the top and out the needle back into the vial.

[Case Manager]

1) A common misconception. With more frequent injections like E3D, the goal is to always be within normal physiological range for T (mostly FT). The goal is to keep FT at the end of the 3 day cycle at about the 66th percentile for a man 20-29 years of age. With the LabCorp test, that's about 20.7 pg/mL (Normal Range = 9.3 to 26.5). Your SHBG will determine how much TT you need to attain that level. However, if your SHBG is too high (as is mine), the amount of TT you need pushes you out of range for TT, and even though it is still bound, there are side-effects to excessively high TT. BOTTOM LINE IS TO GET YOUR LABS DONE AND USE THE DATA TO DRIVE YOUR DECISIONS.

2) I don't recommend anastrozole (or any other E2 inhibitor or blocker) unless your labs indicate you need it. Guys on TRT are WAY TOO PARANOID about gynecomastia because of all of the chatter from bodybuilders that use abusive levels of T. If you keep your TT and FT within range, there should be no need for E2 control, or if you do, minimal at most. I use extremely low levels of anastrozole (about 0.5 mg per week) using the vodka eye dropper method. However, I've got countless labs to show that this amount will keep me within range, and even when I don't use it, I'm usually still within the upper end of the range. Did you know you need E2 for normal erections? many guys find that out the hard way when they use way too much anastrozole and get a really bad case of ED. Did you also know that you need a certain level of E2 in the brain to maintain normal GH levels? Again, crash E2 and it can have a cascade effect in the body.

3) Let us know how the insulin syringes work or if you need advice. The first few times pulling it up can be frustrating. You need to learn proper technique. Insert the needle, invert the vial and syringe, and pull ALL THE WAY BACK on the plunger and keep it there for about a minute as the oil slowly seeps into the syringe. Then SLOWLY push out the excess as the air bubbles coalesce and rise to the top and out the needle back into the vial.

1) Yep, doing labs late Tuesday and I'll post the results ASAP. The doctor wouldn't have put me on as much AI, but he has no idea why they TRT isn't helping with the ED. He thinks the high levels of ED are masking the effects that he believes testosterone should have, i.e. high libido, strong erections, etc.. I've been doing a lot reading on here recently and I see that ED is based on a lot more than testosterone/estrogen balance, still I'm hoping the accurate labs will show something out of whack. I did know that you need E2 for normal erections. I didn't know that about the GH levels, but I'm not surprised. I know E2 is just as important to men, in its own way, and in the correct proportion (though that differs from individual to individual), as it is to women. The last thing I want to do is crash E2, but ED is aggravating. When a medical specialist says take 1mg/arimidex daily, you're inclined to believe them (at first).

2) I think I'm gonna cut back to 1 mg every other day or more. I'm worried if I cut back any more the doctor might cut me off from meds altogether right away.

3) Ok. Yeh, I've been using the big needle/small needle technique until now. Thanks for the detailed steps. I'm sure it saved me a lot of troubleshooting time.

[ryobi1]

while your pulling labs, maybe get your thyroid checked as well.
TSH,T3,T4...wouldnt hurt

[Case Manager]

while your pulling labs, maybe get your thyroid checked as well.
TSH,T3,T4...wouldnt hurt

I may have a Thyroid panel from my last blood draw for the Accutane. Lemme see if I can get my hands on that and post it.

[Youthful55guy]

2) I think I'm gonna cut back to 1 mg every other day or more. I'm worried if I cut back any more the doctor might cut me off from meds altogether right away.

That's still a lot of anastrozole for someone taking 160 mg T-cyp every two weeks. I would doubt if your E2 even registers on the sensitive lab, which is designed to measure down to 5 pg/mL.