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    Quote Originally Posted by mikzsan View Post
    Thanks! I tried diff. doses in the past and at higher, I aromatize easily and lost any benefit. I know I could take AIs, but its hard to get prescribed here, and have their own sides. 100IU x 3 can get me to 4 or 5/10 libido from 1 with no sides.

    This bumped my free T from low 300s to 450-500 (scale 260-700) without raising E2. I could then try and get more benefit adding other stuff, rather than upping HCG, if that makes sense.

    True, my GP though will give all that if he thinks HRT is needed. He seems very knowledgeable and is a weightlifter . The issue now is he doesn't feel I need HRT or ANY hormones, and wont give Preg/HCG etc, and said my latest numbers are OK.

    I'm just wondering if he's being too conservative or if they truly look ok and my issue likely isn't hormonal even partly ?

    Thanks Would you suggest its worth trying a course of low dose Clomid first?

    I took 200 mg levodopa and had a sharper mind, mood and the libido of a 16 yr old. Sadly, made it harder to sleep, but Im prone to insomnia and not everyone is.
    Well issue with HCG is not peripheral aromatization but E2 perfusion from the testes themselves, and it's a rather common issue. This happen because of the continuous stimulation by HCG, which differs from the pulsating secretion of LH from pituitary.

    Instead of upping dose you can try the same (100IU) every day, subq for simplicity. Hypodermic pins can also prevent hormone surges to some extent and slow release, comparing to IM.

    Pregnenolone I do recognize as an OTC supplement, not prescr. I got mine from Swanson's, but it's not sublingual - ingesting the molecule can in fact completely alter the way the body processes it, as it will pass through the liver and undergo conversion/metabolism there.

    200mg ldopa is not much but again I do strongly advise not to take this on a daily basis; occasionally might be fine.

    The clomid, it might ramp your E2 through the roof just like HCG.

    Your total levels are quite average, and don't suggest any special issue, especially since free T is normal too. However, I do see a problem from bw and that is SHBG, this will bound test as well as DHT, and that might explain your issues with libido and erections.

    Try a good dose (2000IU is a good starting point) of vitamin D and dose accordingly to bw, like kel suggested. Another supplement you can try is boron chelate (TRAACS or albion) , 10mg did something good for me and I had quite stubborn high SHBG.

    Creatine can boost DHT if you have a problem with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    Well issue with HCG is not peripheral aromatization but E2 perfusion from the testes themselves, and it's a rather common issue. This happen because of the continuous stimulation by HCG, which differs from the pulsating secretion of LH from pituitary.

    Instead of upping dose you can try the same (100IU) every day, subq for simplicity. Hypodermic pins can also prevent hormone surges to some extent and slow release, comparing to IM.
    Thanks... I always did sub q. I would try every day, but the issue now is that Doc wont even give HCG anymore (or even preg) as he feels none of my issues are hormonal and doesnt want to shut me down.


    200mg ldopa is not much but again I do strongly advise not to take this on a daily basis; occasionally might be fine.
    I don't take that anymore, thanks for looking out


    Your total levels are quite average, and don't suggest any special issue, especially since free T is normal too. However, I do see a problem from bw and that is SHBG, this will bound test as well as DHT, and that might explain your issues with libido and erections.

    Try a good dose (2000IU is a good starting point) of vitamin D and dose accordingly to bw, like kel suggested. Another supplement you can try is boron chelate (TRAACS or albion) , 10mg did something good for me and I had quite stubborn high SHBG.
    Thanks. Ill look into that. I just feel so shut down (even though my bw isnt that bad) that I feel something as mild as boron isn't going to cut it for me. I feel like I need something heavy duty to get me out of this.

    If I was to try clomid low dose , 12.5 EOD, for example, would you say the worst that could happen is that it didnt work, and I could wean off, or it could actually screw me up?

    I just want to be careful.
    Last edited by mikzsan; 08-05-2017 at 07:50 AM.

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