First cycle, test and...?

[De231]

I'm planning on starting my first cycle in about 6-8 months. I've been training for 4 years and I'm 19 years old. My plan is to run test for about 12 weeks but I'm looking to include something else in the cycle as well. My goal with the cycle is to gain lean muscle mass. I'd prefer to take something that won't have that much impact on my physical appearance (e.g. moonface, bloating, acne). I know that everyone reacts differently to steroids however is there some steroid that will give me plenty of results, but without the side-effects I mentioned above?

[guitarzan]

Read this man, you're too young

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

[songdog]

Work on your diet and building a base bro beacuse right now you are too young and will only mess up your Endo system.

[PT1982]

......Food. Only food and a solid mass building program.

[De231]

I respect your opinions but that doesn't answer my question. Diet and training is already on point and has been so for almost 1,5 years now.

[guitarzan]

Did you the link I posted? Parts of your body haven't matured yet, if you take AAS you can stop them from developing, and potentially cause permanent damage. Are you willing risking shutting down your test production before it even reaches its prime? I know it's tempting, but man it ain't worth screwing your self up for some temporary muscle gains

[Back In Black]

Post a pic OP let's evaluate you and give you the best advice.

Read this too

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ffect-you.html

[De231]

guitarzan//

Yes, I read it. I'm aware there's a lot of potential risks, but there's no guarantee that I will screw up my body if I start taking AAS at the age of 19-20.
I wouldn't call it "temporary gains". Obviously it depends on what I decide to use, but normally I should keep most gains from a cycle as long as I have a good diet, train hard and do a proper PCT.

Too bad no one is willing to really offer any advice on a cycle so far. It's not like I'm underage, and I'm actually pretty aware of the damage that steroid usage can cause to my body. I've been reading about it quite a lot for some time now. I get that it could be really risky, but I'm willing to do whatever it takes.


Back In Black//

I'm not going to post a picture because there's always a risk that someone's going to recognize me, even if I remove my head from the picture completely. I can't risk that.
I will read the link you posted.

[guitarzan]

Even if you were older, no one would advise you take anything but test on your first cycle. Plus, you haven't giving stats: age, weight, fat percentage, etc

[charger69]

You are right, there is no guarantee that you will screw up your body.....BUT the chances of you screwing up your body are significantly higher. Its all about the risk reward with everyone of us here. Taking AAS is a risk for everyone. Now, with you, your HPTA is still developing and you are producing the most natural test in your life. Taking AAS shuts you down. Your HPTA gets confused because it was shut down and may not restart completely or may not develop fully.
Imagine going out with your girlfriend and not being able to get it up. Imagine at 22 and not being interested in sex.
Are those small gains that you make worth it?
Just some food for thought. It's your body and you make the decisions. Everyone here is just trying to help you make the right decision.... Whatever it may be. The wisdom from the vets is saying "Don't do it.... At least not yet. Give your body a chance to fully develop first.

[Sh0tsf1red]

guitarzan//

Yes, I read it. I'm aware there's a lot of potential risks, but there's no guarantee that I will screw up my body if I start taking AAS at the age of 19-20.
I wouldn't call it "temporary gains". Obviously it depends on what I decide to use, but normally I should keep most gains from a cycle as long as I have a good diet, train hard and do a proper PCT.

Too bad no one is willing to really offer any advice on a cycle so far. It's not like I'm underage, and I'm actually pretty aware of the damage that steroid usage can cause to my body. I've been reading about it quite a lot for some time now. I get that it could be really risky, but I'm willing to do whatever it takes.


Back In Black//

I'm not going to post a picture because there's always a risk that someone's going to recognize me, even if I remove my head from the picture completely. I can't risk that.
I will read the link you posted.

People are offering good advice, you just don't want to hear it.

If you're as smart as you think you are then why even post? You say your willing to do whatever it takes, so why not start with listening to experience?

Plus, what would your mom say? she may kick you out of the basement

[Back In Black]

Nobody will recognise you, there is such a small chance that anybody you know will ever come across this site let alone find your thread.

Height?
Weight?
Bodyfat %



Current diet macro's?

[kelkel]

I respect your opinions but that doesn't answer my question. Diet and training is already on point and has been so for almost 1,5 years now.

Almost 1.5 years! Damn.

[geezuschrist]

You're a total fool for wanting to do this. Only training 1.5 years and just trying to take the easy way to the top. You're gonna develop problems cycling at this age. Good luck with your low t and all the fun things that come along with it

[De231]

Almost 1.5 years! Damn.

There's always that one fool that has to derail a thread by posting some nonsense comment just to raise their post count.

You're a total fool for wanting to do this. Only training 1.5 years and just trying to take the easy way to the top. You're gonna develop problems cycling at this age. Good luck with your low t and all the fun things that come along with it

There's no guarantee that I will develop any "problems". There's a risk that I will. There's no way for you or me to know how I'm going to react to them, because everyone reacts differently to anabolic steroids.
I will look for answers elsewhere, since it's clear that I won't get any valuable help here. None of you guys managed to answer my question. The question was not "should I take steroids or not" it was more "what should I take". That being said, the decision has already been made and it's useless to comment just to criticise me for wanting to use steroids. That's not what this topic is about.

[guitarzan]

Kelkel the fool!

[TRA]

There's always that one fool that has to derail a thread by posting some nonsense comment just to raise their post count.


There's no guarantee that I will develop any "problems". There's a risk that I will. There's no way for you or me to know how I'm going to react to them, because everyone reacts differently to anabolic steroids.
I will look for answers elsewhere, since it's clear that I won't get any valuable help here. None of you guys managed to answer my question. The question was not "should I take steroids or not" it was more "what should I take". That being said, the decision has already been made and it's useless to comment just to criticise me for wanting to use steroids. That's not what this topic is about.

In addition to being argumentative and resistant to good information, you just insulted one of the most knowledgeable vets on the board. Strong work. Everyone here is just trying to save you from the potential of serious complications.
It may not be a guarantee but I have yet to see a post by any solid vet on there that talks about having started at your age and avoiding everything you are being warned about. What's the hurry? Appearance? Can't imagine why you would need the increase in strength only at your age.
At any rate, you've gotten solid feedback from knowledgeable guys here. Best of luck to you whatever you decide to do.

[kelkel]

Kelkel the fool!

Cat's out of the bag now. I'll send in my resignation from the board asap.

[Back In Black]

How To Make Friends & Influence People.

OP, kelkel is one of the people you will be begging for help when your natural test levels fail to return to normal.

Want to run the gauntlet, knock yourself out

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

As for wanting something that won't affect your physical appearance, WTF do you think steroids will do?!?!

[almostgone]

How To Make Friends & Influence People.

OP, kelkel is one of the people you will be begging for help when your natural test levels fail to return to normal.

Want to run the gauntlet, knock yourself out

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

As for wanting something that won't affect your physical appearance, WTF do you think steroids will do?!?!

In bold above:
Damn straight! I've learned more from Kel than I could have ever gotten from my primary care Dr., although she did agree to start me on TRT when numerous other Drs. sent me on my way.

[almostgone]

OP, you have been given some stellar advice in this thread. Take a little more advice from an old man and listen to what has been given to you.

[De231]

Almost 1 ½ year later.
I did 500mg Test E/week for 12 weeks during this summer and got great results. I pretty much had no side effects except a few pimples here and there on my shoulders and back.
Next cycle will start in about five months and I'm gonna go with 500mg Test E/week again but this time I will add Tbol 60mg ED for 6-8 weeks.
Ps. kelkel is a *******.

[ghettoboyd]

Almost 1 ½ year later.
I did 500mg Test E/week for 12 weeks during this summer and got great results. I pretty much had no side effects except a few pimples here and there on my shoulders and back.
Next cycle will start in about five months and I'm gonna go with 500mg Test E/week again but this time I will add Tbol 60mg ED for 6-8 weeks.
Ps. kelkel is a

I dare you to post a pic then we will see whos the fag jackass...

[almostgone]

Almost 1 ½ year later.
I did 500mg Test E/week for 12 weeks during this summer and got great results. I pretty much had no side effects except a few pimples here and there on my shoulders and back.
Next cycle will start in about five months and I'm gonna go with 500mg Test E/week again but this time I will add Tbol 60mg ED for 6-8 weeks.
Ps. kelkel is .

Another comment like that and you'll find your ass booted out the f-in door.

[almostgone]

OP, read the PM I sent you carefully. Talk about other members or staff isn't allowed here; especially with your crap attitude.
As I said, this was your 1 free pass.
After this, *Admin* gets involved and *Admin* doesn't tolerate crap like this.

[The God Himself]

OP, read the PM I sent you carefully. Talk about other members or staff isn't allowed here; especially with your crap attitude.
As I said, this was your 1 free pass.
After this, *Admin* gets involved and *Admin* doesn't tolerate crap like this.

It is actually fascinating that someone finds a reason to dislike kelkel.
That guy is amazing and friendly to everyone.

[*Admin*]

Another comment like that and you'll find your ass booted out the f-in door.

OP, read the PM I sent you carefully. Talk about other members or staff isn't allowed here; especially with your crap attitude.
As I said, this was your 1 free pass.
After this, *Admin* gets involved and *Admin* doesn't tolerate crap like this.

Spot on!

[Chrisp83TRT]

I'm sure most of the awesome guys here have already stated that you

SHOULD NOT run a cycle right now.

Right now you are very young and your brain and body has not fully grown

What does that mean you ask ?
Sure !! It means you can fuck with your biology permanently if you jump the gun with gear.
Your brain doesn't fully develope untill you are around 25-26

Trust me and others when they say, train and eat line a beast .

This is the time to grow naturaly !!


I wish I took lifting more seriously at your age , I'd have so much more to work with now.

You came to the right place . You have the tools ,
Now make the right decision for yourself.

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[Chrisp83TRT]

Almost 1 ½ year later.
I did 500mg Test E/week for 12 weeks during this summer and got great results. I pretty much had no side effects except a few pimples here and there on my shoulders and back.
Next cycle will start in about five months and I'm gonna go with 500mg Test E/week again but this time I will add Tbol 60mg ED for 6-8 weeks.
Ps. kelkel is a .

Dude are you serious ? Kel is such a huge part of why this forum is amazing.


Someone boot this motherfucker.


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[Painjunky]

Almost 1 ½ year later.
I did 500mg Test E/week for 12 weeks during this summer and got great results. I pretty much had no side effects except a few pimples here and there on my shoulders and back.
Next cycle will start in about five months and I'm gonna go with 500mg Test E/week again but this time I will add Tbol 60mg ED for 6-8 weeks.
Ps. kelkel is a

Actually you most certainly did get side effects.Permanent ones. Look at your post cycle bloods if you even bothered to take them. Compare your t levels to bloods in couple years . they'll be the same or less instead of natutally higher. Congratulations!!

[KennyJ]

You have insulted some absolutely amazing people.
You are way too young to do what you're doing and you will regret it.
You are on the path to shutting your natural test down and your life is just beginning.
I'll say again you're making a huge mistake.
With your attitude I personally think you should be kicked off the site.
Take the good advice you've been given and if you don't take the advice at least stop insulting people who are trying to help you.

[HoldMyBeer]

Dude are you serious ? Kel is such a huge part of why this forum is amazing.


Someone boot this motherfucker.


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[KennyJ]

Almost 1 ½ year later.
I did 500mg Test E/week for 12 weeks during this summer and got great results. I pretty much had no side effects except a few pimples here and there on my shoulders and back.
Next cycle will start in about five months and I'm gonna go with 500mg Test E/week again but this time I will add Tbol 60mg ED for 6-8 weeks.
Ps. kelkel is a .

You don't even deserve the help these guys are trying to give you with your shitty attitude

[Couchlockd]

Oh, kel a smart ass getting post count up.

You have just fucked yourself turtle tits.

Lucky for you, kel won't hold a grudge and will advise you when you cock stops working and you become obese in a few years cuzz you completely wrecked your innards.

Also, you should run for first 8 weeks of 16 week cycle;

Test e 750 per week.
Tren ace 350 per week
Tren e 350 per week
Then @ week 9 drop the Tren and add;
Decca @ 500 per week
Anasrol at 75mg per day
Keep test at 750mg.

Walk the walk if you talk the talk.

[The God Himself]

Oh, kel a smart ass getting post count up.

You have just fucked yourself turtle tits.

Lucky for you, kel won't hold a grudge and will advise you when you cock stops working and you become obese in a few years cuzz you completely wrecked your innards.

Also, you should run for first 8 weeks of 16 week cycle;

Test e 750 per week.
Tren ace 350 per week
Tren e 350 per week
Then @ week 9 drop the Tren and add;
Decca @ 500 per week
Anasrol at 75mg per day
Keep test at 750mg.

Walk the walk if you talk the talk.

LOL, up the tren man

[Arcânn]

Almost 1 ½ year later.
I did 500mg Test E/week for 12 weeks during this summer and got great results. I pretty much had no side effects except a few pimples here and there on my shoulders and back.
Next cycle will start in about five months and I'm gonna go with 500mg Test E/week again but this time I will add Tbol 60mg ED for 6-8 weeks.
Ps. kelkel is a.

You cycled at 19? I think *Admin* needs to change your name or tag or title to "A-A-Ron", cuz you done f--ked up.

Despite your jackassery, I would kindly advise what everyone else here has advised....you've already probably wrecked your future development, but you could probably at least lessen the damage by not cycling again until you're a little older. But I'm not really sure how much that would even help at this point. You're still young so you may not notice much of a difference right now, but in a few years you'll most likely regret the decision that a bunch of people here tried to advise you against...people who have been doing this longer than you've been alive so they know a thing or two.

[KennyJ]

Oh, kel a smart ass getting post count up.

You have just fucked yourself turtle tits.

Lucky for you, kel won't hold a grudge and will advise you when you cock stops working and you become obese in a few years cuzz you completely wrecked your innards.

Also, you should run for first 8 weeks of 16 week cycle;

Test e 750 per week.
Tren ace 350 per week
Tren e 350 per week
Then @ week 9 drop the Tren and add;
Decca @ 500 per week
Anasrol at 75mg per day
Keep test at 750mg.

Walk the walk if you talk the talk.

Yes this way you can go ahead and just nuke your natty test for good as it seems this is what you’re intent on doing and the thing is you're right Couch, Kel is such a good dude that even after getting insulted he would still do anything he could to help this guy when he comes back with his body wrecked.

[Gallowmere]

Yes this way you can go ahead and just nuke your natty test for good as it seems this is what you’re intent on doing.

Ehh, being married to the needle forever isn’t so bad. Besides, the stuff I buy in a vial is more powerful than even the best set of nads in the world.

[KennyJ]

Ehh, being married to the needle forever isn’t so bad. Besides, the stuff I buy in a vial is more powerful than even the best set of nads in the world.

I was just being sarcastic with this guy because of how disrespectful he has been. The vets were giving him sound advice and he didn't want to hear it and started blasting people. He called Kel a fool and a fag. On top of everything else he's 19 yo

[Gallowmere]

I was just being sarcastic with this guy because of how disrespectful he has been. The vets were giving him sound advice and he didn't want to hear it and started blasting people. He called Kel a fool and a fag. On top of everything else he's 19 yo

Oh I know. I was trolling a bit myself. I’m never going to be able to have the perspective of a guy who fucked his balls up, as mine were always fucked up.