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    So in other words he essentially backed up what I've stated. That's a relief.
    No, he and Scally had a falling out years ago and never got it back together.
    Clomid increased E by virtue of increasing T. It's not supraphysiological levels though so E should not be an issue. You need E.
    Agree with 25 eod as it will immitate the pulsatile nature of endogenous T production more.

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    I was also gonna ask if my E2 Test is worthless.? If it’s not the ultra sensitive kind is it worthless?

    Also with clomid therapy, do you feel the T effects right away often or does it take months of high test to experience the physiological changes. Just like guys who initiate TRT. It often takes a few months to see changes in erectile function.

    I also wanted to ask about SHBG. Dr. Crisler said I have low SHBG which is helping me because of my low T but isn’t desired either. He actually wanted this to go up too. Any idea why?

    Astor, is a taper of clomid necessary or recommended?

    Also, enclomiphene. Is this a thing? Or simply a myth..... something that was trialled but never made it past that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iron.triangle View Post
    I was also gonna ask if my E2 Test is worthless.? If it’s not the ultra sensitive kind is it worthless?

    It's just not reliable. It may be correct, it may not. That's not good enough for me.

    Also with clomid therapy, do you feel the T effects right away often or does it take months of high test to experience the physiological changes. Just like guys who initiate TRT. It often takes a few months to see changes in erectile function.

    Yes, any form of T therapy will take time to have full effect. How long is subjective. Gel therapy seems to be about the most rapid in my experience and readings.


    I also wanted to ask about SHBG. Dr. Crisler said I have low SHBG which is helping me because of my low T but isn’t desired either. He actually wanted this to go up too. Any idea why?

    Well, low shbg can be ok as long as it's not combined with anything related to metabolic syndrome. It's just healthier mid-range in short.

    Astor, is a taper of clomid necessary or recommended?

    Not to my knowledge.

    Also, enclomiphene. Is this a thing? Or simply a myth..... something that was trialled but never made it past that.

    Correct. Still not approved but looks neat doesn't it. Just chemically different when it comes to estrogenic activity. That seems to be the only difference. It'll make a ton of money if it makes it out of FDA jail.
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    Clomid increased E by virtue of increasing T. It's not supraphysiological levels though so E should not be an issue. You need E.
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    Doesn't clomid also increase E via the zuclomiphene component? That is what I am worried about? Too much E which is suppressive of test production once I get off the drug.

    I wish enclomiphene was more of a thing. That makes much more sense to me.

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    [QUOTE=iron.triangle;7332981]
    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Clomid increased E by virtue of increasing T. It's not supraphysiological levels though so E should not be an issue. You need E.
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    Doesn't clomid also increase E via the zuclomiphene component? That is what I am worried about? Too much E which is suppressive of test production once I get off the drug.

    I wish enclomiphene was more of a thing. That makes much more sense to me.
    Yes, that's the isomer that will cause estrogen expression but that's ok, just monitor your E one way or the other and take remedial action if needed. Even using a combo of 200 DIM and 50 Zinc will help a little. It's sold combined.

    Remember, ton's of people use clomid and do just fine.
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    Any good brands for the dim and zinc mix?

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