Live for the moment - A teenage Zeus' bodybuilding journey

[hollowedzeus]

Im v excited to go hit arms today. I just want to eat and get big.

Considering waking up at night to eat some food. I dont want to be fasting at all.

Im going to start nolva today or tomorrow. Probably tomorrow. Going to spend tonight researching.

Ill be watching for hives this time...

[marcus300]

Im v excited to go hit arms today. I just want to eat and get big.

Considering waking up at night to eat some food. I dont want to be fasting at all.

Im going to start nolva today or tomorrow. Probably tomorrow. Going to spend tonight researching.

Ill be watching for hives this time...

Why start Nolva ?
I wouldn't use anything while trying to get trt in the UK and all the blood work your going to be having

[hollowedzeus]

Why start Nolva ?
I wouldn't use anything while trying to get trt in the UK and all the blood work your going to be having

Lump behind my left nipple. Felt it for a long time and ive been touching and checking alot and it now feels larger in size. Still smaller than a pea tho

[marcus300]

Lump behind my left nipple. Felt it for a long time and ive been touching and checking alot and it now feels larger in size. Still smaller than a pea tho

I still wouldn't use anything while trying to get trt in the uk. Tell your doctor or endo about the lump imho i wouldn't self prescribe anything to even have any conflict regarding your bloods

[hollowedzeus]

Would like today to end. Beyond exhausted and overall just miserable feeling today

Tomorrow is another day

[hammerheart]

I still wouldn't use anything while trying to get trt in the uk. Tell your doctor or endo about the lump imho i wouldn't self prescribe anything to even have any conflict regarding your bloods

Is there any treatment option for gyno in the UK?

[hammerheart]

Would like today to end. Beyond exhausted and overall just miserable feeling today

Tomorrow is another day

It's almost over get a good reset sleep then restart.

[hollowedzeus]

Drenched in sweat lying awake most of the night... wasnt a great sleep..

[hammerheart]

Drenched in sweat lying awake most of the night... wasnt a great sleep..

Maybe you shouldn't have dropped the clomid. It raises both Test and SHBG. Now you are in the situation your SHBG is likely higher than in the start (and it takes long to dial down) but Test will have returned the same, and Free T suffered as consequence.

[hollowedzeus]

Oh great.... wouldnt have thought it would have made me sub preclomid levels...

Ive still got over a weeks worth of clomid but im not using it. Clomid can stick one. Ill suffer through it.

That honestly felt like id taken dnp yesterday... drenched in sweat and bedsheets soaked.

Gonna try and hit legs as hard as i can this morning... we will see how that goes.

Might come home and inject 250mg of test. We will see how emotional i feel.

[hollowedzeus]

Workout wasnt great but felt sufficiently disabled climinh stairs so i guess it was okay. Strength seemed to be up also.

Im so in the mood for a fight today

[hollowedzeus]

Feeling okay today.

Didnt get my ass beat yesterday. Also tool 25mg cialis that had little yo no effect on me. Head was a mess

[cousinmuscles]

Workout wasnt great but felt sufficiently disabled climinh stairs so i guess it was okay. Strength seemed to be up also.

Im so in the mood for a fight today

Why didn't you call me for that, I could have helped you out

[hollowedzeus]

Why didn't you call me for that, I could have helped you out

Hah! Stop it, youre getting me hot and bothered

[cousinmuscles]

Hah! Stop it, youre getting me hot and ready

Oh so that's what you meant huh?

[hollowedzeus]

Too late to back out now big guy

[hollowedzeus]

Legs and lats for sure need some work

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[tarmyg]

Calfs need work. Looking great though overall IMHO!

[hollowedzeus]

Thank you, neglected them w
For a month but back hitting them heavy

[hollowedzeus]

Im honestly sitting in my car quivering right now because i know im going to need to fight with the wee jobsworth reception lady to get my blood results.

[hollowedzeus]

BLOOD WORK UPDATE POST CLOMID


Apparently ive became superman.... i dont feel it trust me.

High estro explains the fun going on behind my nipples


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[cousinmuscles]

Not so knowledgeable in this but I guess we have similar HPTAs. Low test but responsive to SERMs.

[tarmyg]

Zeus, I am by far not an expert in the area but those values do look very decent to me. I realize you are in the middle of this so it might be hard to see but do you think what you are feeling is something else? I mean, you are still a Teenager and from what I remember (Those 25+ years ago) life sucked.

[hollowedzeus]

Not so knowledgeable in this but I guess we have similar HPTAs. Low test but responsive to SERMs.

I wish the feelings of responsiveness followed the blood work lol

[tarmyg]

Ignore my response. I seem to have no idea what I am talking about. LOL.

[hollowedzeus]

Zeus, I am by far not an expert in the area but those values do look very decent to me. I realize you are in the middle of this so it might be hard to see but do you think what you are feeling is something else? I mean, you are still a Teenager and from what I remember (Those 25+ years ago) life sucked.

Completely understand, theres a possibility that it could be something not hormone related.

However ive placed my chips on the hormone route, i fully believe this to be the issue. I feel something missing.

I might be wrong... ill pay for it if i am. I have accepted any and all consequences associated with my decision

[hollowedzeus]

Ignore my response. I seem to have no idea what I am talking about. LOL.

Sorry i didnt see your response, apologies if i appeared rude.

You're not wrong at all mate

[hammerheart]

The clomid did raise SHBG like expected, that's eating away T/DHT and favouring estrogen dominance instead. Your testes appear to be fully functioning, and that points to hypothalamus/pituitary cause for low T. You might respond nicely to HCG only, but that could lead to excess estrogen again. I'll get back at you later I'm from phone now.

[tarmyg]

The clomid did raise SHBG like expected, that's eating away T/DHT and favouring estrogen dominance instead. Your testes appear to be fully functioning, and that points to hypothalamus/pituitary cause for low T. You might respond nicely to HCG only, but that could lead to excess estrogen again. I'll get back at you later I'm from phone now.

This is why I said to ignore my comment. I'm in first grade and bizzarro got his PhD.

[hollowedzeus]

The clomid did raise SHBG like expected, that's eating away T/DHT and favouring estrogen dominance instead. Your testes appear to be fully functioning, and that points to hypothalamus/pituitary cause for low T. You might respond nicely to HCG only, but that could lead to excess estrogen again. I'll get back at you later I'm from phone now.

Cheers mate. In for a penny in for a pound tho. Am a right

[hollowedzeus]

Heres the ranges. Well overshot the test ones...

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[hammerheart]

Cheers mate. In for a penny in for a pound tho. Am a right

Don't get discouraged by the high T reading.

I'll tell you something - hormones don't really do anything. They only carry a signal. The way your respond consist in the capacity of such tissues to receive and manipulate this signal appropriately. Thing is, you haven't developed low T. You are a nearly teenage guy whom has NEVER been exposed to the androgens. That means the androgen receptor got a long way to upregulate and make you responsive. This also requires absence of functional antagonism by excess estrogen. In fact, high estro alone can downregulate the receptor, and your reading - 85 pg/ml LOL - it's very high if real.

I believe I kind of warned you about this back in summer, duh.

[hollowedzeus]

Don't get discouraged by the high T reading.

I'll tell you something - hormones don't really do anything. They only carry a signal. The way your respond consist in the capacity of such tissues to receive and manipulate this signal appropriately. Thing is, you haven't developed low T. You are a nearly teenage guy whom has NEVER been exposed to the androgens. That means the androgen receptor got a long way to upregulate and make you responsive. This also requires absence of functional antagonism by excess estrogen. In fact, high estro alone can downregulate the receptor, and your reading - 85 pg/ml LOL - it's very high if real.

I believe I kind of warned you about this back in summer, duh.

Indeed you did warn me.

Good shout...

Went from low to high e2. I love it. Not the results i hoped for however its what i expected.

I look forward to seeing my docs answer

[hollowedzeus]

Expecting an answer monday. Cant come quick enough

[hollowedzeus]

Some pre party ephedrine to calm the nerves then off to socialise.

No gym today

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[hollowedzeus]

Im eating like a fucking pig with nerves the now... had a mcdonalds breakfast and chocolate this morning. Ugh

[hollowedzeus]

swapping chest and back around at nachs suggestion, i demand my strength to be through the roof tonight.

60mg a-drol and 200mg test suspension preworkout tonight. going to get YOKED

[cousinmuscles]

Lol you serious? What about the TRT?

[cousinmuscles]

Anadrol takes 1+ week to kick in BTW

[hollowedzeus]

Lol you serious? What about the TRT?

just kidding hehe. just dreaming.

trt is coming, i can feel it.

guess ill stick to my current dodgey cialis as a pre lol