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    1st off at 6' you should be around 200lbs at 170 this tells me you have no base.You need to worry more about your diet and proper training not aas at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by songdog View Post
    1st off at 6' you should be around 200lbs at 170 this tells me you have no base.You need to worry more about your diet and proper training not aas at this point.
    Thanks for your input. I did expect 'fair' comments like this.

    As I said, I have cut down to 170 / 14% bf to start a clean AAS bulk.

    My diet and training knowledge is fine. All my joints and strength is at a good level as I have been up to 205lbs and slowly cut down just fat.

    I have started now and I am taking it extremely steady with diet 100 %, the gym / form 100% and not taking too much Test E.

    We will see what happens I guess.
    Last edited by Jangles1; 10-30-2017 at 01:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by songdog View Post
    1st off at 6' you should be around 200lbs at 170 this tells me you have no base.You need to worry more about your diet and proper training not aas at this point.
    guys always say this about other guys that aren't very big, suggest they need to eat and gain weight and learn to grow before jumping on gear .. but the reality of the matter is that if you go to any tested natural body building show all those guys are generally 150 pounds on stage (and been training and dieting for a decade) . most natural guys simply can't get this 'base' you speak of and stay lean.

    thats why they come to the dark side lets welcome them with open arms and rid the world of natties that look like they don't even lift

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    thats why they come to the dark side lets welcome them with open arms and rid the world of natties that look like they don't even lift

    Great line.
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    Cycle update tomorrow guys. ZERO pain in my last injection site. Cant even feel it. These Ventroglute spots are solid.

    I will try my left one tomorrow and update!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    guys always say this about other guys that aren't very big, suggest they need to eat and gain weight and learn to grow before jumping on gear .. but the reality of the matter is that if you go to any tested natural body building show all those guys are generally 150 pounds on stage (and been training and dieting for a decade) . most natural guys simply can't get this 'base' you speak of and stay lean.

    thats why they come to the dark side lets welcome them with open arms and rid the world of natties that look like they don't even lift

    I see what they are saying. But in my case I have bulked to 205 and then cut back down cleanly. So I don't feel the AAS strength gains will hurt my tendons and joints. Now IF I had never gone above 170, I would not be doing this cycle.

    Anyway, I have been training 4-5 years in the gym and have my diet and routine down to a t, so I am excited to see how this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    I see what they are saying. But in my case I have bulked to 205 and then cut back down cleanly. So I don't feel the AAS strength gains will hurt my tendons and joints. Now IF I had never gone above 170, I would not be doing this cycle.

    Anyway, I have been training 4-5 years in the gym and have my diet and routine down to a t, so I am excited to see how this
    your 30 years old and been training for 5 years .. you absolutely have a legitimate choice to go on gear at this stage in your life Imo , no matter what you weighed or not

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