First ever Test E only cycle

[Jangles1]

' No point feeding your fat is there?!
'

Carbs will only feed the fat the same way that Protein will though surely ?

[Obs]

' No point feeding your fat is there?!
'

Carbs will only feed the fat the same way that Protein will though surely ?

I would wager that too much protein is 1000x deadlier than AAS. I would also wager that thousands of deaths from kidney failure have been blamed on AAS when in fact it was excessive protein causing the issue.

[tarmyg]

I would wager that too much protein is 1000x deadlier than AAS. I would also wager that thousands of deaths from kidney failure have been blamed on AAS when in fact it was excessive protein causing the issue.

What is this based on? Experiments with people eating a crazy amount of protein have revealed no such issues.

[Obs]

What is this based on? Experiments with people eating a crazy amount of protein have revealed no such issues.

Where did the protein come from?
Was it high in nitrates like the OP's steak?
Was the excess nitrates causing the kidneys to work overtime filtering the excess?

Believe me I have tead the same pub med articles you have on this issue and they are conducted in a fantasy manner. The amount of strain a bodybuilder puts on their kidneys is great enough without added strain from excessive nitrates. Rhabdomyolysis is something we push ourselves to the brink of frequently.

Let me post a list for you and you tell me it was AAS and training that killed these guys and caused kidney failure.

[tarmyg]

Where did the protein come from?
Was it high in nitrates like the OP's steak?
Was the excess nitrates causing the kidneys to work overtime filtering the excess?

Believe me I have tead the same pub med articles you have on this issue and they are conducted in a fantasy manner. The amount of strain a bodybuilder puts on their kidneys is great enough without added strain from excessive nitrates. Rhabdomyolysis is something we push ourselves to the brink of frequently.

Let me post a list for you and you tell me it was AAS and training that killed these guys and caused kidney failure.

Still waiting for a single piece of factual information!

[Obs]

Still waiting for a single piece of factual information!

I will wait for you to shoot that down but if you would like I can post twenty half assed pubmed journals that say excess protein is just fine for the kidneys.

[Obs]

This idea that pubmed studies can be conducted conclusively without listing the source of the diet being examined is absurd and dumb.

The articles so many believe today list nothing more than macros in regards to diet bearing no mind to different sources of protein which has the greatest effect on renal overload.

This is a highly controversial subject because of incomplete testing. Measuring RMF is not very accurate either being based off urine analysis and not actually looking at the kidneys nut rather what has passed into the urine.

I assure you bodybuilders are dropping dead from overworking their organs but AAS will get the blame because of inconclusive study.

[Obs]

What is this based on? Experiments with people eating a crazy amount of protein have revealed no such issues.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25091135/
Here you go you mouthy little bastard. From your beloved pubmed with many corresponding links!