Tossing the caber.

[Nogbad the bad]

Och aye hoots mon and all that!
Serious question;considering half a gram of deca is in my current cycle,do folks on here think i should be using caber?
I have it,but haven't taken any as yet,as i feel fine.I'm using anastrozole,and hcg as advised,but many say just have
caber on hand.
My previous cycle included deca,but only 200 mcg's.More for the joint relief than anything else.I did have sensitive
nipples,which felt quite sore against my shirt/top at the time,but i didn't have any swelling or lumps,and it went
after a few weeks.This time round,i have no sensitivity or soreness whatsoever,and feel fine.
Thoughts please.
Oh,and i've been on cycle for five weeks now.

[Max562]

Keep it just in case....better safe then sorry....I forget to take it more often than not..I been running tren and npp


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[Obs]

Och aye hoots mon and all that!
Serious question;considering half a gram of deca is in my current cycle,do folks on here think i should be using caber?
I have it,but haven't taken any as yet,as i feel fine.I'm using anastrozole,and hcg as advised,but many say just have
caber on hand.
My previous cycle included deca,but only 200 mcg's.More for the joint relief than anything else.I did have sensitive
nipples,which felt quite sore against my shirt/top at the time,but i didn't have any swelling or lumps,and it went
after a few weeks.This time round,i have no sensitivity or soreness whatsoever,and feel fine.
Thoughts please.
Oh,and i've been on cycle for five weeks now.

Always keep it on hand. I personally might consider cutting dosage to .25 mg per week. Some are sensitive and others arent. I have aquired high prolactin off of 400 mg week but I was on a long time without much break between cycles.

[kelkel]

If you're pulling BW to check levels (prolactin) then fine, you can implement it at that point if necessary. If not I'd run it at .25 x 2 per week to start.

[Ashop]

Keep it just in case....better safe then sorry....I forget to take it more often than not..I been running tren and npp


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I would hold onto it just in case or even for another time.

[Nogbad the bad]

Unfortunately,i may have to curtail my present cycle,due to severe sciatica.
I've had the bastard for three weeks now,and have been unable to train legs,all that time.
I'm five weeks in,and i've started having good strength gains,and shape/size changes.
It's very frustrating,because i wasn't really expecting anything until around this time,with my
gear being long esters.
I can stop now,save money on next cycle,maybe february if my back gets sorted out,or just soldier on,
and hope my back's ok in the next week or so,so i can hit my legs,and get some proportion back.
Gotta make my mind up this week.

[GearHeaded]

keep in mind that most UGL caber has a short shelf life , so if you've kept it on hand for quite some time it may be no good when you actually need it. if using research chems Prami is a better choice Imo then caber.

I've ran a gram of nandrolone without caber . it all depends on how prolactin sensitive you are. however always have it on hand or be proactive and take a low dose anyways.

if you ever get to the point where you get progesterone induced gyno and shot libido , you were pretty fucked up for a long time before those things showed up (those are the last things in a long series of negative events to show up , and again why some people choose to run caber either way)

[GearHeaded]

Unfortunately,i may have to curtail my present cycle,due to severe sciatica.
I've had the bastard for three weeks now,and have been unable to train legs,all that time.
I'm five weeks in,and i've started having good strength gains,and shape/size changes.
It's very frustrating,because i wasn't really expecting anything until around this time,with my
gear being long esters.
I can stop now,save money on next cycle,maybe february if my back gets sorted out,or just soldier on,
and hope my back's ok in the next week or so,so i can hit my legs,and get some proportion back.
Gotta make my mind up this week.

I would grind it out. the deca will only help you recover better. take this time to train as hard as fuck on other lagging body parts and just do the minimal effective dose for the legs.

I've had 3 blown discs and 4 back surgeries , so I know what your going though on leg day. just stick to leg extension and SSB squats and lunges, or a belted squat machine if you got one

[Nogbad the bad]

keep in mind that most UGL caber has a short shelf life , so if you've kept it on hand for quite some time it may be no good when you actually need it. if using research chems Prami is a better choice Imo then caber.

I've ran a gram of nandrolone without caber . it all depends on how prolactin sensitive you are. however always have it on hand or be proactive and take a low dose anyways.

if you ever get to the point where you get progesterone induced gyno and shot libido , you were pretty fucked up for a long time before those things showed up (those are the last things in a long series of negative events to show up , and again why some people choose to run caber either way)

Thanks for your input GH.
Stuff i have is Pfizer Cabaser.The expiry date is October 2018.Do you think it would be wise,to take a small dose each week,just to be on the safe
side? As i've mentioned,i feel fine,and can't notice any sides at present.I'm into my sixth week on cycle.

[Nogbad the bad]

You stating previously,the amount of back problems and surgery took my interest.Many years ago,a physio who'd looked at my back x rays,said
she was surprised i wasn't in a wheelchair! I was told that i could have an operation to remove discs,which would limit my mobility anyway,or live
with the pain.Apparently at the time,the chances of the op going tits up,were quite high,and i could have ended up in a wheelchair anyway.
I chose to live with the pain,even though at times i can't walk without being in agony.
If i thought that an operation could put me right,then i think i would take that option today,especially at times like this,when it's been going on for
a month now,and even sleeping is difficult,although after taking a chiropracters advice,i've found putting two pillows between my knees in bed,
it has taken the pressure off my spine,and these last couple of days,i've managed to sleep reasonably.

[GearHeaded]

you could take the caber and just play it safe .
personally I'm the type of guy that tries to take as little ancillary drugs as possible (If I wasn't on TRT I'm the type of guy that would not do PCT at all and do a natty restart, because more and more drugs is not necessarily better).. so take my advice with a grain of salt


as for the back . I've had a few discs completely removed in my lumbar spine. everything is held together with cages, and titanium screws and rods and fused. my mobility is slightly limited, but its not that bad, but the best thing is the nerve pain is completely gone.
its worth looking into surgical options for you , as living with nerve pain from the back your whole life is a taxing and miserable thing

[hammerheart]

Thanks for your input GH.
Stuff i have is Pfizer Cabaser.The expiry date is October 2018.Do you think it would be wise,to take a small dose each week,just to be on the safe
side? As i've mentioned,i feel fine,and can't notice any sides at present.I'm into my sixth week on cycle.

Why is that your afraid of caber? We only need token doses to keep prolactin in check. I would advise to always take .25mg e3d as a minimum.

[Nogbad the bad]

So,you equate reluctance with fear?
It's simple enough really;take only what i need to take,and not just for the sake of it.
If i start suffering nipple soreness,and or lactation,i will definitely take it.

[Nogbad the bad]

you could take the caber and just play it safe .
personally I'm the type of guy that tries to take as little ancillary drugs as possible (If I wasn't on TRT I'm the type of guy that would not do PCT at all and do a natty restart, because more and more drugs is not necessarily better).. so take my advice with a grain of salt


as for the back . I've had a few discs completely removed in my lumbar spine. everything is held together with cages, and titanium screws and rods and fused. my mobility is slightly limited, but its not that bad, but the best thing is the nerve pain is completely gone.
its worth looking into surgical options for you , as living with nerve pain from the back your whole life is a taxing and miserable thing

Thanks for that,i'm seeing a specialist in the new year,as regards back surgery positives/negatives.

[David LoPan]

You stating previously,the amount of back problems and surgery took my interest.Many years ago,a physio who'd looked at my back x rays,said
she was surprised i wasn't in a wheelchair! I was told that i could have an operation to remove discs,which would limit my mobility anyway,or live
with the pain.Apparently at the time,the chances of the op going tits up,were quite high,and i could have ended up in a wheelchair anyway.
I chose to live with the pain,even though at times i can't walk without being in agony.
If i thought that an operation could put me right,then i think i would take that option today,especially at times like this,when it's been going on for
a month now,and even sleeping is difficult,although after taking a chiropracters advice,i've found putting two pillows between my knees in bed,
it has taken the pressure off my spine,and these last couple of days,i've managed to sleep reasonably.

I purchased an adjustable bed and it has been great. Live with the pain as long as you can or they will give you pain meds for your back. Back surgeries and treatments are getting better all the time. Talk to people that have had back surgeies and get as much information as you can. Just my 2 cents

[Nogbad the bad]

I purchased an adjustable bed and it has been great. Live with the pain as long as you can or they will give you pain meds for your back. Back surgeries and treatments are getting better all the time. Talk to people that have had back surgeies and get as much information as you can. Just my 2 cents

Thanks, i've been living with the pain for 25 years.Obviously,it hasn't been constant,or at least not constantly severe,but regardless
it has a debilitating effect psychologically,as well as physically.I take strong painkillers,and sometimes anti inflammatory meds,
but i sometimes wonder if these will have an adverse effect on a cycle.
What i will ask any specialist i speak to,is how long will i be laid up,what sort of movement limitation,if any,will there be,and when could i
reasonably expect to be back in the gym.If it turns out to be a long layoff,i probably will try to continue living with the pain.
I would also begin considering hgh,although getting hold of decent stuff may prove difficult.

[hammerheart]

So,you equate reluctance with fear?
It's simple enough really;take only what i need to take,and not just for the sake of it.
If i start suffering nipple soreness,and or lactation,i will definitely take it.

I developed gyno from high prolactin and had no soreness at any point previously, you can't always tell by guessing.

I already knew I had an issue with prolactin but was reluctant to stay indefinitely on caber, that's how it happened, now I need both the caber and raloxifene to manage it, maybe surgery in the future.

[Nogbad the bad]

I developed gyno from high prolactin and had no soreness at any point previously, you can't always tell by guessing.

I already knew I had an issue with prolactin but was reluctant to stay indefinitely on caber, that's how it happened, now I need both the caber and raloxifene to manage it, maybe surgery in the future.

I hear what you're saying,and respect it.
I know there are all sorts of problems just hiding round the corner whatever you're taking,so it's best to try and cover all bases.
Thanks.

[ScotchGuard02]

Och aye hoots mon and all that!
Serious question;considering half a gram of deca is in my current cycle,do folks on here think i should be using caber?
I have it,but haven't taken any as yet,as i feel fine.I'm using anastrozole,and hcg as advised,but many say just have
caber on hand.
My previous cycle included deca,but only 200 mcg's.More for the joint relief than anything else.I did have sensitive
nipples,which felt quite sore against my shirt/top at the time,but i didn't have any swelling or lumps,and it went
after a few weeks.This time round,i have no sensitivity or soreness whatsoever,and feel fine.
Thoughts please.
Oh,and i've been on cycle for five weeks now.

I've run cycles with and with out caber. I'd say run caber if you have any questions.