like I said man prove me wrong all I am trying to do is help you but you have it all figured out so I will stop trying to help you since you know it all...do you think you are the first person who has cycled before they where ready and got sub-par results...sure the gear may be under dosed but what are you expecting you had little to no base from which to build from so when this is over sure you may keep a few lbs because you had nothing to start from but you will still look like you don't lift because you haven't put the work in before jumping on aas...that is my opinion from watching people like you jump on aas before they where ready over the last 10 yrs ive been here...I look forward to your before and after pictures...





