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    are you cutting ? if this is your first cycle I would highly recommend taking advantage of all the gains that come with a first cycle and focus on growth and hypertrophy (you can grow and still stay lean on a first cycle, but you need plenty of food still)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    are you cutting ? if this is your first cycle I would highly recommend taking advantage of all the gains that come with a first cycle and focus on growth and hypertrophy (you can grow and still stay lean on a first cycle, but you need plenty of food still)
    I put on lean mass with this carb cycling meal plan when natural. I can play with numerous high days to see the gains versus low and medium. Right now I only have 1 high day, 4 medium, 2 low, but I am tightening up prior to the cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MACKATTACK1 View Post
    I put on lean mass with this carb cycling meal plan when natural. I can play with numerous high days to see the gains versus low and medium. Right now I only have 1 high day, 4 medium, 2 low, but I am tightening up prior to the cycle.
    ok hopefully your diet coach knows that your going to be on cycle and that is going to increase your TDEE and calorie needs . its going to be much higher then you are now naturally, so your going to have to 'feed' the cycle sort of speak as well.
    your doing test alone , so its not near as much as say a tren cycle , but still your calorie needs will go up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    ok hopefully your diet coach knows that your going to be on cycle and that is going to increase your TDEE and calorie needs . its going to be much higher then you are now naturally, so your going to have to 'feed' the cycle sort of speak as well.
    your doing test alone , so its not near as much as say a tren cycle , but still your calorie needs will go up.
    He will make changes as need be. Honestly I don’t want to put on fat and any bulk u will do so, I think people think I put on “25lbs of muscle”, 10 is fat, 5 is water and they actually only wind up keeping 5lbs of lean mass. I don’t know if it’s different with an AAS cycle but natural it seems more like the way I listed above. I’m also a mix of MESO and ENDO, I am carb sensitive and have a slow metabolism, but I put on clean mass when the diet is on point. Carb cycling works well for me. I guess this is going to be a big learning curve for me, as long as I stick to the basics chicken, oats, Ezekiel bread, eggs and water I stay leaner, soon as I eat red meat or high amount of rice I don’t look as good per say, hold a little extra water.

    I’m gonna play with it while on cycle, but slowly with the changes week by week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MACKATTACK1 View Post
    He will make changes as need be. Honestly I don’t want to put on fat and any bulk u will do so, I think people think I put on “25lbs of muscle”, 10 is fat, 5 is water and they actually only wind up keeping 5lbs of lean mass. I don’t know if it’s different with an AAS cycle but natural it seems more like the way I listed above. I’m also a mix of MESO and ENDO, I am carb sensitive and have a slow metabolism, but I put on clean mass when the diet is on point. Carb cycling works well for me. I guess this is going to be a big learning curve for me, as long as I stick to the basics chicken, oats, Ezekiel bread, eggs and water I stay leaner, soon as I eat red meat or high amount of rice I don’t look as good per say, hold a little extra water.

    I’m gonna play with it while on cycle, but slowly with the changes week by week.

    I don't think a natural lifter (unless a total newb) could ever put on 5lbs of lean muscle tissue in one meso cycle (maybe take a year or more). however if your genetically gifted and metabolize anabolic steroids extremely well, you can put on three times that amount in just a few short months while at the same time burning through body fat (while on cycle).

    in regards to being carb sensitive, well the good news is that being on cycle is going to greatly improve that. you'll partition carbs much more efficiently into muscle glycogen rather then fat storage, in fact your muscle glycogen stores will increase greatly (this is where most the weight gain comes from, your muscles get fuller and bigger from holding more glycogen and water).

    also nitrogen retention will increase, you'll become much more efficient at utilizing protein. As a natural you need a lot more protein (to keep from going catabolic and loosing muscle). Being on cycle you can get by with much less protein and instead feed the body more Carbs to fuel the workload.

    nutrition changes to a certain degree while on cycle because of how your body utilizes food and partitions nutrients. you calories demand and carb needs change. BUT you gotta just see how your body changes and use this first cycle as a learning expeirence

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I don't think a natural lifter (unless a total newb) could ever put on 5lbs of lean muscle tissue in one meso cycle (maybe take a year or more). however if your genetically gifted and metabolize anabolic steroids extremely well, you can put on three times that amount in just a few short months while at the same time burning through body fat (while on cycle).

    in regards to being carb sensitive, well the good news is that being on cycle is going to greatly improve that. you'll partition carbs much more efficiently into muscle glycogen rather then fat storage, in fact your muscle glycogen stores will increase greatly (this is where most the weight gain comes from, your muscles get fuller and bigger from holding more glycogen and water).

    also nitrogen retention will increase, you'll become much more efficient at utilizing protein. As a natural you need a lot more protein (to keep from going catabolic and loosing muscle). Being on cycle you can get by with much less protein and instead feed the body more Carbs to fuel the workload.

    nutrition changes to a certain degree while on cycle because of how your body utilizes food and partitions nutrients. you calories demand and carb needs change. BUT you gotta just see how your body changes and use this first cycle as a learning expeirence


    I honestly have to tell you that I really appreciate all the help you have been giving me. You don't have to do what you are doing but I think its great to share the wealth of knowledge you have in this area!!

    So basically a high calorie clean diet will be used more efficiently......I am going to discuss this with him and see what he thinks.

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